Lynne Barrows wrote 03/04/2008 12:18 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Charlie Snyder ] #183921 - 03/04/2008 12:18 PM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	I used to make my own by using a Thermos to incubate the mixture. Very easy to make! Here's an easy yogurt recipe (very similar to the one above) http://fiascofarm.com/dairy/yogurt.htm
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/04/2008 12:57 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #183924 - 03/04/2008 12:57 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Good tips, and I'd reinforce the one about either using a yogurt maker or having a thermometer and using it carefully. Heating the milk too long or too hot can completely defeat the purpose by killing the cultures that are the whole point of yogurt. http://www.healthgoods.com/Shopping/Appliances/Yogurt_Information.asp has some tipe halfway down, too. Don't forget that what you use as a starter is crucial to the quality of the end product. I'd start with the best I could find, with the most active cultures, and I'd probably consider adding even more cultures with the contents of a probiotics capsule. The starter has to be plain (not flavored, and not sweetened) to work. Someone mentioned Mountain High -- yes, this is a live-culture brand that can actually be found in regular supermarkets. Cascade is a very reasonably priced health-food-store brand that has a lot of different cultures, BTW (more than most). Don't forget that goat's milk can be used, too, if you have access to that!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/04/2008 01:03 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #183925 - 03/04/2008 01:03 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I'm pretty sure that everyone knows this now, but just in case: Flavored yogurt with sugar, artificial sweeteners, and/or jam, and with cultures killed by heating after culturing --- these are worse than none at all, and are closer to a dessert than a health benefit.
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Kelly wrote 03/04/2008 01:13 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Shody Lytle ] #183927 - 03/04/2008 01:13 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	Quote: shody lytle Yes, it is better. The more "beasties" the better it is. I just have a much easier time getting the yogurt than the kefir myself, so I get teh best yogurt I can find. If the dog hesitates at the taste of it, but I doubt they will, mix in his salmon oil. I have had great luck with Kefir. Cindy gave me a starter batch when Shyner was sick and bombed with antibiotics. I have been cultivating it and giving it to the dogs since... I take a small amount of it to keep the culture going and freeze the rest. If I ever need to use the frozen stuff, I just thaw it and it will start growing in a day. If you start with a healthy sample, you should not have any problem growing it. It can get overwhelming though and that's why I freeze it. My dogs LOVE it and have no problem snarfing it down I did not enjoy it much however --Kelly
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Jennifer Lee wrote 03/05/2008 02:09 AM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Sarah Morris ] #184025 - 03/05/2008 02:09 AM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	Quote: Sarah Morris Is kefir more beneficial than yogurt? It seems from the label that it contains more live active cultures than even the better yogurts. I know it took awhile to unscrew my face after I took a taste. Kefir is tangy! I love yogurt but give my dogs kefir since I have an easy source But wow is it nasty, I had some strawberries so I dunked one in the kefir and popped it in my mouth...it made me not want strawberries for at least 2 days..which is saying a lot!! should have read the entire thread, Kelly was the starter the granules or was it just kefir? You can buy Kefir granules to make your own, but you I understood that you can't start with a little kefir and make infinite amounts like with yogurt. Can probiotic supplements be added to the batch to up the culture levels? this is something I have wondered as I found really good capsules that need to be kept in the fridge to keep them alive and from over growth Edited by Jennifer Lee (03/05/2008 02:11 AM) Edit reason: missing information
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 03/05/2008 03:20 AM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #184031 - 03/05/2008 03:20 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Is there a difference between giving the dog live culture yogurt or just probiotic capsules????
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Jennifer Lee wrote 03/05/2008 03:33 AM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #184034 - 03/05/2008 03:33 AM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	Mine love yogurt and Kefir, plus I like the extra calcium. But I also think that the live cultures are more readily available for use by the body, as opposed to the capsules which must be stored for long periods, fully dissolve while surviving stomach acids then reactivate in the gut in sufficient numbers to colonize. I also think any time its possible that food based nutrients are better sourced than in pill form. AS in eating an orange vs taking vitamin C.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 03/05/2008 07:33 AM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #184044 - 03/05/2008 07:33 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Mike, it's possible that the capsules have reduced viability of the live cultures, depending on when they were manufactured and how they were stored...
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Mike Armstrong wrote 03/05/2008 12:41 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #184103 - 03/05/2008 12:41 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Quote: mike j schoonbrood Is there a difference between giving the dog live culture yogurt or just probiotic capsules???? I've read a lot about probiotics in the last 8 months, but I don't claim to have any expertise or even a real clear grasp of the biology of it all. That said, I believe "live cultures" can be "live" whether in capsule/powder form or in yogurt, assuming proper storage. The capsule products I use recommend refrigeration to preserve the "maximum potency" for the entire shelf life. Heat will kill probiotics in both yogurt and powders. While there are hundreds of stains of probiotics, the yogurt and kefir I've found seem to have no more than 10 strains. By contrast, a capsule I use has 14. Other products have different combinations. According to the expert I've read and emailed, the key is taking a variety. There is insufficient research to say exactly what strains are most effective for any given purpose or ailment. Maybe the ones in the yogurt I use are sufficient, or maybe it's only one of the 14 in the capsule. I'll never know for sure. Mike Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Kelly wrote 03/05/2008 12:55 PM Re: no vanilla yogurt [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #184107 - 03/05/2008 12:55 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	Quote: Jennifer Lee Kelly was the starter the granules or was it just kefir? You can buy Kefir granules to make your own, but you I understood that you can't start with a little kefir and make infinite amounts like with yogurt. Cindy gave me some of the Kefir grains that she was growing. I don't know where she got it, but I have seen starter grains in the healthh food store. If you can't make infinite amounts of Kefir, please tell that to mine... I have to stop every now and then and use some of my frozen stuff or it will over run my house! I seriously have about 10 containers frozen in the freezer and a quart jar full at this time. It reminds me of sourdough bread starter, where you use some and save a little to make more. That is what I have been doing anyway... --Kelly
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