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Lee, I thought you had a male and a female GATOR...

Good Dutchies are (Mali)Gators in brindle "clothing".

You mean Good Mali's are Dutchie's that fell in the dishwasher.

Ooops, oh yeah....that's it!!

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What's a Dutchie?

The Dutchie is the quintessential doughnut. Unlike most doughnuts, Dutchies aren't ring doughnuts or twists--they are squares or rectangles, made from a yeast-risen dough, sprinkled with raisins.

I have a recipe if you need it ...

I'm trying to tame her Cameron, but it's not working.

I got into them by working at a boarding kennel where the owner bred working GSDs and Dutchies. At the time I had my sweet chow/setter mix Sport and couldn't have any more dogs. I already was into obedience and agility. While I worked there, I was interested in schutzhund. After talking to the owner about it, he let me work with a young adult GSD in schutzhund and later on with her dam in agility. I quickly fell in love with the drive and temperaments of those dogs. FYI the dam was a Leerburg dog. :-)

Eventually I had to quit working there and started working at a grooming shop. Grooming was really what I wanted to get into. Years later I went to visit after my old girl passed away. I learned of 4 dutchies that needed fostering and homes. One of them was adopted by the kennel staff and became the mascot, I found an excellent pet/agility home for 2 litter mates in the country and the 4th one I kept. She looked just like a Malinois but was black sable with phantom brindle markings, black face and chest, stunningly beautiful. Unfortunately her life ended tragically with out warning thanks to an irresponsible vet.

About 6 months later, the kennel owner offered me a young 1yr old male (the younger brother of the one I lost). I went to look at him and really liked his temperament, sound structure and reverse brindle. Out of kindness (and being over his head in dutchies) he gave him to me, also knowing I would work him and give him the training and care the breed required.

I am so glad I discovered such a wonderful breed. So far I am loving working with Logan. He is very intelligent, extremely driven and has a wonderful confident temperament, sometimes very stubborn. I just started teaching him the weaves this week and he is catching on very fast. He does them already without any guidance other than they are leaned. He is the coolest!

So how did you guys get into dutchies?

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So how did you guys get into dutchies?

I do Malinois and Hounds here, but fortunately someone needed a home for Rock so he ended up here. GREAT dog, GREAT temperament....if I can find another Dutchie that is out of good solid working lines, I will definitely have another one around.

Rock does disaster and air scent live find SAR work.

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What's a Dutchie?

The Dutchie is the quintessential doughnut. Unlike most doughnuts, Dutchies aren't ring doughnuts or twists--they are squares or rectangles, made from a yeast-risen dough, sprinkled with raisins.

I have a recipe if you need it ...

Must be a Canadian thing, but I'll take a dozen, if they'll ship well...

Dumb Dutchie question:

Are they always brindle? And are they as high energy as Mals?

OK, here is my Dutchie story. Once upon a time I had a now deceased 12 year old Rottie. I owned and loved many GSD's and Rotts over the past 40 plus years.

After I had to put my Rott down, I got busy checking around on the internet for a new Rott or GSD. I hadn't considered any dogs for a long time. I didn't even know they "invented" Mals or Dutchies.

I started researching both breeds along with my old favorites. I finally based my decision on potential life span and lack of health issues. I knew, given my age, this would probably be the last dogs I owned.

At first I had to get used to the hyena look of Dutchies. Now I love that "look".

The activity level of both these "new" breeds concerned me for awhile. Two of them, both young, knock me out.

Even though I did extensive research, I was caught off guard with the intensity of these dogs. They certainly aren't dogs for green handlers. Both of mine are handler aggressive, especially the female. Or maybe I just forgot the way the male used to be. Time heals all wounds.

I'm totally happy with my decision.

Hi Sarah,

It's not a dumb question...and yes, Dutchies are always brindle.

I don't have one yet, but am waiting for a planned litter to happen, and have been doing a lot of research on them. As far as their energy level, the common statement is that they're like Mals with an off switch. Some very experienced DS breeders I've been talking with describe that further as Dutchies not having as much non-productive energy expenditure as Mals often have. So, for example, one breeder has a Mal that paces around its kennel endlessly to the point where it wears its pads raw. It just can't stop. Another mentioned a Mal that, when it was approached in its kennel, would spin endlessly.

But, in terms of drive and energy to work, I believe they are comparable. As with any breed, so much depends on the lines and breeding, too<g>. One can find lower drive dogs in both breeds, but the typical, well-bred DS is going to be a high energy dog.

leih merigian

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Dutchies are always brindle.

They're supposed to be, but some of them can be black and are still considered Dutchie by the KNPV people.

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the common statement is that they're like Mals with an off switch

Yeah, whoever dreamed that one up must hang around with a lot of the show line Dutchies, which is basically 99% of Dutchies with a pedigree.

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further as Dutchies not having as much non-productive energy expenditure as Mals often have

That's BS too. Some bloodlines are less hectic, but this is not a true general statement. Dutchies can be every bit as spazzy as Mal's (sometimes even more so), since, they are Dutchie/Mal crosses. The more Mal in the line the more spazzy. Unless you mean the ones with FCI papers, in which case, the working quality deteriorates drastically. There's a couple breeders breeding working line FCI pedigree dogs, but most of them aren't all that impressive, or the pedigrees are (partly) false. The Dutchies that are bred to NOT be spazzy and are capable of the work, are generally dogs bred for social aggression and serious dominance. Not the dogs that 99.99% of people want to deal with. Some bloodlines can be flat out dangerous in the wrong hands. But, the same can be said about some Malinois lines too.

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So, for example, one breeder has a Mal that paces around its kennel endlessly to the point where it wears its pads raw. It just can't stop. Another mentioned a Mal that, when it was approached in its kennel, would spin endlessly.

Dutchies will do that too just as easily.

Most of the magical stuff written online is BS. Dutchies are crosses. At least, the ones that can work well are. When you are breeding crosses, the consistency across the breed goes down drastically.