 Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247920 - 07/24/2009 01:37 PM |
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I have also noticed (but failed to note...) that Danke has no desire to chew on things anymore.
As a younger dog (read: as a dog on partial kibble or total kibble) she was a voracious chewer.
She now ignores Kongs, Everlasting Treat Balls, etc.
Unless you bait them with something smelly and tasty, she couldn't care less.
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#247921 - 07/24/2009 01:38 PM |
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Alyssa, it's all very interesting, especially the self-regulation observation and the observation regarding food refusal/selection and poop quality. Thanks for sharing it...
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#247924 - 07/24/2009 02:26 PM |
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I like the mention of some of the more intangible enjoyments too, like how much fun it is to prepare the food and witnessing the dog's enjoyment of meals. Since switching, my teenage daughter has actually taken an interest in feeding the dog...a very new experience. She even gets all excited about it  . This is a kid I had to bribe to help me with restrained recalls (?).
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247928 - 07/24/2009 03:19 PM |
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And then what happens when the dog packs on some extra weight and the owner wants to correct it (as some do, despite appearances to the contrary!). The poor dog then gets something like Hills SD "Light" -- of which the top ingredient is corn. 
Just look at the first few ingredients of this crap:
Corn Meal
Soybean Mill Run
Chicken By-product Meal
Peanut Hulls 10.9%
Corn Gluten Meal
Soybean Meal
That's disgusting. What's even more disgusting is that this product rips people off for as much money that it does. I wish this kind of thing were regulated.
I do have to say that I don't think it's simply the amount of protein in the food that causes a dog to eat/stop eating (although it certainly does for me!). My dogs on Orijen which is like 45% protein from meat (grain-free), WILL gain weight if I do not carefully control their portion sizes. They do not self regulate at all. Orijen is 70% meat/fish and 30% veggies/fruit with herbs and supplements.
I propose there's something else in raw food/prey that allows dogs to control their portion sizes. Perhaps a combination of things such as protein content, water content plus the enzymes naturally present in the food?
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Angela Burrell ]
#247929 - 07/24/2009 03:23 PM |
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And again, the time it takes them to chew their food.
Also, being able to visually see how much food they have, because the food is in it's whole form, not compressed down...
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Angela Burrell ]
#247930 - 07/24/2009 03:30 PM |
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IME, it is easier to control weight with a raw diet. I've always suspected plant protein versus meat protein, but maybe it IS more a primal chewing-of-bone, ripping-of-meat urge that can't be totally satisfied with kibble.
I help people with dogs' diets, and always urge that the first step for a fat dog should be switching to raw food. I do have other tricks up my sleeve, of course, and not everyone can or wants to switch to raw, but never in a million zillion years would I make some poor dog eat that junk. Never. And I'd bet big money that the fat dog would rather have a reasonable amount of real meat-based food than unlimited amounts of that crud.
And yes, Angela, what makes me angriest is that crap like that is passed off as the best instead of the worst, as somehow blessed by the scientific or veterinarian community, and therefore worthy of top-dollar price tags. 
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247947 - 07/24/2009 05:36 PM |
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Sorry, but I don't think I will live long enough to EVER see my dogs 'self regulate' their food intake! My dogs practically eat the dish! They get plenty enough to keep thier weight but I seriously doubt that if I put 10 lbs of meat & bones in front of them that they would not consume every bit of it! Even if I did it repeatedly for a week. I am not planning on experimenting to proove the point, though.
I will take a leap here & say that it is possible that if you have only one dog, not multiple ones, that you might see that behavior. Even though my dogs are separated when eating, one is crated or in an outside kennel, there is still an element of 'competitiveness' that is present. Just the way it is at my house.
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Anne Jones ]
#247953 - 07/24/2009 05:53 PM |
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That's a great point. Would one of my dogs walk away and leave food that another of them could then eat?
Ha.
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247954 - 07/24/2009 06:02 PM |
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I have to agree with Ann on this one - not all dogs will self regulate and when you add in the competition factor and slective breeding for voracious eaters and "easy keepers" (I'm thinking alaskan huskies here) they can and will eat more than enough to keep them trim.
Some dogs eat to live and some dogs live to eat.... 
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Re: Random observations about Raw Feeding
[Re: Lynn Cheffins ]
#247955 - 07/24/2009 06:09 PM |
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Weeelll...
We'll have the perfect opportunity to test the theory in about 34 days.
As always, I will continue to log Danke's diet/exercise/training/behavior. Qashmir will also get her own log (actually have already started one, just remarking on minor things when her eyes opened, etc).
We will see if Danke's eating habits change with a second dog (competition) in the house.
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