What exactly about timing and marker training worries you?
To me, one of the benefits of marker training is that if your timing is a little off on something then the worst that can happen is your dog gets a free treat vs. an ill-timed correction. Then just try to mark better next time. The dog will be no worse for wear and will still be as eager as ever to try to learn what you want of it. It is very forgiving.
Timing isn't hard to learn either. Like Connie said, think photography. The mark is the camera. Simply take the picture(mark) when the desired behavior occurs.
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once the dog associats the mark with the payoff, as long as you reward within a minute your good, my dogs have been known to go on strike when they hear the mark and not rewarded, they'll sit or stand there until I reach in my pocket for the payout. sometimes I get the reaction pitured below for no payout
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once the dog associats the mark with the payoff, as long as you reward within a minute your good, my dogs have been known to go on strike when they hear the mark and not rewarded, they'll sit or stand there until I reach in my pocket for the payout. sometimes I get the reaction pitured below for no payout
Toadally. Like offering tofu when you're out of dog meat?
Related to that, I never ever give an empty marker. The marker always means "reward coming."
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Hmmmm all this has made me think about giving clicker training another look.
There are some things I don't get. For instance, I understand you can use toy/play rewards with clicker training, and play is *much* more motivating to Liesel than food. But how in the world do you charge the clicker for play? And how does clicker/play reward even work? Like how long do you play for a click?
Histories are more full of examples of the fidelity of dogs than of friends.
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Hmmmm all this has made me think about giving clicker training another look.
There are some things I don't get. For instance, I understand you can use toy/play rewards with clicker training, and play is *much* more motivating to Liesel than food. But how in the world do you charge the clicker for play? And how does clicker/play reward even work? Like how long do you play for a click?
You start with food rewards -- for speed, convenience, size, simplicity, and no loss of focus. Also, you learn the basics with food. (I would never have been able to use a toy when I was learning.)
Play = whipping out a tug, toy, ball -- whatever the dog loves.
Just want to add that I can't imagine anyone doing any kind of training with any dog who would not find these extremely useful. I'm adding this because of all the LB videos (and I own many -- maybe even most -- of them), I'd call the Marker video the most universally applicable of all. JMO.
P.S. You don't need to know anything about it to start with the first one.
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