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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#364179 - 07/19/2012 08:44 PM |
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Oh, I don't mean to minimize this. I think it's a terrible move, and you're exactly right-- this could be the first step to those kinds of prohibitions. It's the worst kind of corporate greed.
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#364180 - 07/19/2012 09:36 PM |
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I know Tracy, I have all your same sentiments.  It makes me really sad and angry too.
This kind of thing, if brought to legislation would be just horrible.
It could greatly impact good standing companies, like Bravo and Answers brand food manufacturers, who do not use any form of pasteurization processes, and in turn are able to maintain their live enzymes in the food.
While companies like Stella & Chewy's and Nature's Variety are already using the HPP process, to kill pathogens, but in turn the food will lack those enzymes that are so important in the raw diet. I guess we can add back in those enzymes, but it is not the ideal.
I have currently been feeding Bravo because I can get a discount where I work. I love the company. This would be a serious blow to them any any just like them.
Certainly the very worst of corporate greed.... and if Hills SD etc. is at the helm, amongst others, it is truly disgusting.
I fear you are right Tracy, it looks like its almost decided already. 
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#364181 - 07/19/2012 09:38 PM |
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Oh, I don't mean to minimize this.
Oh, I know that.
It took me a while to start seeing deeper and deeper levels to this. I feel like a conspiracy theorist ...... except that after a few decades of watching Hills-SD worm their way in to "corporate partnerships" with the AVMA and the vet schools, after researching bios of authors of ever-so-authoritative papers on the evils of raw and finding high-level exec positions with HSD, after seeing the trail-blazing Australian DVMs who dared to speak up about crap-in-a-bag become ostracized by their professional associations, and on and on and on .... after all this, I feel less like a conspiracy theorist than like a person who doesn't even have the mental wherewithal to follow Giant Kibble's machinations.
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Re: AVMA -- policy against raw coming up?
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#364182 - 07/19/2012 09:53 PM |
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Exactly Connie, it goes quite deep. I am right there with you in your thinking as well. I am so bothered by this, and all that this kind of thing represents.
The AVMA may try to assuage their guilt by trying to say that they are not trying to tell people what to feed and it's still our choice, this very action only makes it easier to take it to a legislative level.
The ultimate insult is the human food in the grocery store is no different..... this isn't about all of the sudden they are truly worried about our safety.
To me, this is all about the fact that these big companies like
Hills is losing market share to the growing numbers of pet owners who are now switching from foods like Hills SD and Royal Canine and switching to raw.
Well, that's how I see it anyways.
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#364184 - 07/19/2012 10:12 PM |
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The regrettable thing is that the Avma could be putting their energy into training vets--and the general public-- on HOW to feed dogs and cats a balanced and safe homemade diet. I totally get that some vets are leery of raw feeding, because I'm sure lots of people don't have the information to do it right.
But this seems like tossing the baby out with the bath water to declare all raw feeding as dangerous.
People aren't told to feed their human children nothing but Special K cereal because we don't think they have the sense to feed real food.
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#364192 - 07/20/2012 07:15 AM |
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In the old days when diagnosis was done by stethescope, microscope, thermometer and ancient Xray machine--- money was made by treatments. Some treatments probably didn't work, but mostly the clients were satisfied, and pets were helped.
Now it seems a corporate model prevails.
I feel sick when I hear compromised ethics in veterinary medicine.
Some things are better though. Painkillers. I never gave a spay/neuter any post op painkillers. It simply wasn't done.
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#364194 - 07/20/2012 09:18 AM |
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I feel like I'm missing something here. Having read the initial URL that was in the OP, I get the impression that vets may begin advocating against raw feeding by policy. For those of us informed about raw feeding, what impact does that really have on us? So my vet goes from indifferent about my dog's diet to being one more naysayer.... it's not like we don't all hear, "Aren't bones bad for dogs? Won't that make them sick?" all the time from the uninformed anyway. While I value my vet's opinion and he isn't discouraging of raw feeding, I don't need his help or blessing in deciding what to feed my dog.
Granted, I'm not sure what the impact to commercial producers of raw food might be and I'm not personally concerned since my pup eats from the same meat counter that I do but I'm not sure that a policy change at the AVMA would shut down those businesses... or would it?
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#364196 - 07/20/2012 09:25 AM |
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Pets can get pretty sick from raw food, especially city pets who never see any real germs.
Factory farmed raw food can have salmonella, listeria, staph -- uncooked hamburger can have deadly e.coli--- and these agents can affect the human family too. There is a responsiblity for veterinarians to protect public health.
I'm hoping this is behind the policy statement.
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#364197 - 07/20/2012 09:34 AM |
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I suspect that this is step one of a plan to guide/influence legislation that could be "a step-by-calculated-step plan to wipe out the small farms that produce meat specifically for raw dog food (rabbit meat, green tripe, etc., etc.) and the companies like Bravo, Steve's, and others that allow owners who are nervous about compiling their own dog's raw diet (or strapped for time) to purchase pre-made, balanced, fresh or frozen raw diets."
And I can think of many other barriers that legislation could through up in the way of raw feeders.
Look at Delta Society, which banned raw-fed therapy dogs. Delta Society receives financial support from Purina, and Delta Society has a Purina employee in its Medical Advisory Group.
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