Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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If I may, let me comment a little from a professional PPD trainer's viewpoint:
ARE YOU FRICKIN" INSANE?!?!
If you attempt to pass a dog with protection training off as a SD, and it bites *anybody* ( including a perp during a criminal incident ) you will be sued and lose *everything* that you own, have no doubt - this very type of event has happened twice now that I know of first hand, and both times they came out incredibly bad.
The only way that this would work is if you're a homeless street person with absolutely no assets to lose, otherwise you'd better hand over a check to your attorney for 10 grand as the retainer for the eventual disaster that will happen.
And now that you've posted your intent on a public forum, any attorney would be able to pull this up and use it against you in any dog-bite incident.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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I can empathize with the OP, believe me - with the number of combat tours that I have, PTSD is a given.
I would *love* to have had Fetz as a service dog for myself, but having a PPD comes with a huge responsibility for the safety of others, not to mention the enormous civil and financial liability that would come from having a protection-trained SD.
Any trainer that would be willing to do this training combo should be shunned and sued until they're pennyless. They'd be setting up their client for a sh*tstorm of trouble.
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008
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Alternatives to this would be:
Have a trained service dog that is a large intimidating breed like a Beaceron or GSD. One that is also trained to watch and bark at strangers but not trained to bite. If you get a nice working bred shepherd, bad people will likely assume it will protect you. Get a stable fearless dog.
The dog should be trained to distract you from your panic not add to it by going for strangers. You can also train the dog to block people from getting too close and even calming you down from panic attacks. This will help you more than anything.
But nothing beats the protection offered by a handgun JMO.
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Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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"Have a trained service dog that is a large intimidating breed .... that is also trained to watch and bark at strangers but not trained to bite."
A SD trained to bark at strangers?
A SD is allowed access everywhere the person goes. So this dog would bark at every other person in, say, a bus or store or restaurant, or walking down the street .....
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008
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Oh no no no....only on command unless the handler has such bad PTSD that they'd want it to do that alot, I'd say best to train the dog to CALM the person...in fact that's the point of having a PSTD service dog.
***I meant if they were actually threatened for real*** but this may not be a good idea.
The dog can be trained to position himself between the handler and other people so they can't get too close, this is acceptable and often trained into service dogs. The dog can also distract from fear by playing tug or pawing or jumping up...etc.
Basically the dogs job is to CALM the handler! NOT react to the handler's panic by barking or attacking.
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Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Quote: Tresa Hendrix
Oh no no no....only on command unless the handler has such bad PTSD that they'd want it to do that alot, I'd say best to train the dog to CALM the person...in fact that's the point of having a PSTD service dog.
***I meant if they were actually threatened for real*** but this may not be a good idea.
The dog can be trained to position himself between the handler and other people so they can't get too close, this is acceptable and often trained into service dogs. The dog can also distract from fear by playing tug or pawing or jumping up...etc.
Basically the dogs job is to CALM the handler! NOT react to the handler's panic by barking or attacking.
Gotcha.
And excellent point here:
Basically the dogs job is to CALM the handler! NOT react to the handler's panic by barking or attacking.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Everything here (much of this was posted by experts, btw) illuminates the misguided idea about combining PP and service (SD) in one dog. Bad for everyone, from the dog to the public to the owner.
Lisa Kiesewetter Webboard User Reg: 06-11-2013
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I want the dog to be protective of the house, car and me but not to protective that I can't take him anywhere. I want to be able to take the dog with me to help with my issues of large crowds, new places and help me snap out of flash backs. I like the idea of training him bark... that might help me in both ways. I'll look more into way of calming/ helping me then in a "protective" way... Thanks everyone for your input!!! It's been really helpful!
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