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#73971 - 05/09/2005 08:44 AM |
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Paula,
I know that you own this breed, and probably already know this, but I'll post it for those that might not ( and Chris and I have had this discussion personally in the past ). Pitbulls are pretty distinctly split into two different groups of dogs, very much like "showlines" and "working lines" in the GSD breed.
The "fighting" lines ( which I think more of the AKC stock came from ) has a higher level of outright dog aggression but usually *very* low aggression to humans, secondary to the fact that the human breeders will immediately cull a pit bull that shows human aggression - and that holds true to this day. Most of the pit bull deaths are due to "prey" episodes, not true aggression, hence the high number of child deaths in these sad and almost always preventable episodes.
The second lines is the "game' lines, which Chris has extensive experience in. These are more of the "catch" dogs and have a fairly different personality that most AKC people ever see.
Hope that helps to clarify things...
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Re: question???
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#73972 - 05/09/2005 08:55 AM |
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Paula, do you think your daughter accidentally falling over your dog would be interpreted the same as if she beat the dog(s) continuously with a stick while yelling angrily?
Jenn, no i don't think it is the same thing as a child falling over a dog or if someone beats him with a stick. but i didn't see that 1st post where she said she hits him with a stick.
And did you go back and read the original postings that were referenced? It appears that Krysta (and her dogs) would greatly benefit from learning how dogs learn, and how to teach them, and that getting furious and beating them is probably NOT what most of us would recommend.
Yes, i read the previous posts now and she should not own a dog much less a pit bull because we have enough bad owners that have these dogs and she contributes to it. but my statement is for chris about dogs plotting to get someone. its just crazy.
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#73973 - 05/09/2005 09:03 AM |
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First off there Valin whatever, you totally missed read my post. Pitbulls are the most loving dogs, I truely believe that. I am an advacate for them, however, I have owned more than my share of "fast lane" bulldogs, and they will not tolerate your $hit! If you treat them right, they are extremly loyal and forgiving to their owners for innocent mistakes, but outright abuse, sooner or later they will get your a$$!!!! That is the cases that end up in the news. That is why I said she needs to get rid of them. Your daughter jumping over your petbull is an innocent mistake, and those dogs are intelligent enough to know the difference between abuse and accidents. Don't confuse my words or statement, I'm not some anti-pitbull leftist who says they are all ticking time bombs and you should have to have a ATF permit to own them. In the above situation those owners are asking to get their a$$ handed to them by their dogs. Also, I'm not sure if this is the Valentine Kennels that I was familiar with Around 2000, but I know these dogs very well, that I won't let anyone tell me different, We are obviously both on the same side as far as the bulldogs are concerned but don't for one say that Krysta isn't setting herself up for an a$$ whipping by her dogs. I have seen guys throw a beer can at a bulldog and not lay eyes on that guy for 6months, and when she seen him again, he was lucky all she caught was his the tail of his shirt before her owner was able to grab her up. Things like that is what I'm mean when I say they are unforgiving. My kids use to beat the hell out of my dogs. Innocently. you try to intoduce them to the dogs and they slap the $hit out of them. My dogs would lick them and look at me like it's ok it's a kid. But an adult, beating them with a stick, is asking for it! Once again you TOTALLY changed the meaning of what I was saying <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
First off Chrissy whatever. Just because you "know of 1 female that tried to attack someone 6 months after he threw a can at her" does not make it a breed that plots to get someone if they abuse them. you are entitled to you opinion and i have mine.
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#73974 - 05/09/2005 09:07 AM |
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Just a thought, but does anybody really think this is a "real" post or is she just baiting everybody. I cannot imagine anyone who a has been a member of this forum since Jan. making this post (or rather her previous post) much less doing what she actually claims to have done to the dogs.
I personally think she is just stirring up c*&p.
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#73975 - 05/09/2005 09:15 AM |
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Yes, i read the previous posts now and she should not own a dog much less a pit bull because we have enough bad owners that have these dogs and she contributes to it. but my statement is for chris about dogs plotting to get someone. its just crazy.
Ok, since you were the only one who missed this I'll break it down for you there paula, the "dog plotting to get you" comment was not literally, Paula, dogs don't sit there in their dog house with pen and paper and script out details of their attack. They also, don't look at you everytime you go out there like oh, boy, you just wait until next Tuesday! It was a comment meant to encourage Krysta (hopefully it got the seriousness of my point across) to get rid of those dogs to good homes, Or they WILL end up attacking her or her husband one day, and it'll more than likely be when they least expect it, Anyone not believing that situation isn't in the making is just stupid themselves! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
PS: When Krysta's a$$ gets chewed up think of how much of a shame on the breed and the poor dog when it gets put to sleep for defending itself. So if putting it in a way (dog plotting) to really get through to her that she has already put herself in jepeordy with these dogs, will help save the dogs, I don't see the problem. Because although they don't actually plot, they will one day pay you back and to deni that is just stupid
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#73976 - 05/09/2005 09:26 AM |
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FYI I did volunteer work for the Cumberland county Tennessee humane society, and seen where pitbull*S* were put to sleep because they bit owners, and the freakin owners had previously been investigated for abuse, and they all had the same story, "I'll never again own a damn pitbull their vicious and their time bombs, I wasn't doing anything but walking in the pin to clean up $hit" hhhmmmmm seems like to me the poor, now euthenised dog was defending itself by settling the score, but dumb a$$ humane societies don't see that, they go , OMG we have to HUMANLY put this dog to sleep it bit someone, YEAH A F^&*$#@ a$$h$%#
But thats it dismiss my "1 FEMALE WHO ATTACKED A GUY 6 MONTHS LATER FOR THROWING A BEER CAN IN HER FACE STORY"
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#73977 - 05/09/2005 09:29 AM |
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I think Chris is right about some pits, I don't think they plot a way to get even. I think they don't forget the abuser and when they emotionally mature they will take on and fight the abuser.It is not in their nature to run from a fight.If, Krysta keeps abusing her dog in 6 months to a year she will see the fighting side of a pitbull upclose and personal.
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Re: question???
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#73978 - 05/09/2005 09:29 AM |
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I've got a question...
Everyone seems to be telling this girl to get rid of her dogs and give them to a good home. If these dogs are already used to one owner, one that has abused them, how will they be towards the new owners? Perhaps someone who is familiar with Pits and could handle them would be best, but I don't think Krysta is the type to put forth that effort. Will these dogs be okay in a new home, or are they now "damaged goods" who may just be a time-bomb in someone else's home?
I'd just hate seeing stupid people screw up dogs, then pass the problem off to someone else.
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#73980 - 05/09/2005 09:33 AM |
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"Just a thought, but does anybody really think this is a "real" post or is she just baiting everybody. I cannot imagine anyone who a has been a member of this forum since Jan. making this post (or rather her previous post) much less doing what she actually claims to have done to the dogs.
I personally think she is just stirring up c*&p."
Trent - my feelings exactly. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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