Denise Hau wrote 07/26/2007 04:58 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Alex Corral ] #149805 - 07/26/2007 04:58 PM
Denise Hau Webboard User Reg: 02-17-2007 Posts: 170 Loc: Warner Robins, GA Offline	Update: My baby Lacey is home after being at the animal hospital since Friday. She is pretty lively. Probably more lively than before she got sick with parvo. My husband thinks she may have had it before we picked her up. I don't know. Maybe she was just happy that her "momma" was there to pick her up. lol. She is resting in her crate but she really wants to come out and play with her sisters. She can't do that for the next 2-3 days because she's weak. She has shown a desire to eat and drink water so a big thumbs up there.
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Polly Gregor wrote 07/26/2007 10:45 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Denise Hau ] #149846 - 07/26/2007 10:45 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	I think the question with any rescue is health and temperment. Any dog will love you, but some will be better for your purposes. A lot depends on what you want the dog for. For a companion, health and temperment are key, and with a pup you have the opportunity to raise it properly. On the other hand, an older foster dog is already formed, and you will ahve a better idea of what you are getting. Some byb generate nice pets, but you have to know how to evaluate them. Frankly, I don't, that is why I bought a pup from a working breeder. With what I am learning from this dog, I will make a different choice next time, but that is another matter.
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Denise Hau wrote 07/27/2007 10:22 AM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Polly Gregor ] #149892 - 07/27/2007 10:22 AM
Denise Hau Webboard User Reg: 02-17-2007 Posts: 170 Loc: Warner Robins, GA Offline	Unfortuantely, my options are now limited. If this puppy that I fostered really did have parvo, the breeder I chose will not sell me a puppy from his upcoming litter until I can prove to him via a fax of a vet's diagnosis proving otherwise. So it's either this foster pup, wait two years for the parvo to sink further into the soil or not get a dog at all.
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Keith Larson wrote 07/27/2007 10:42 AM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Denise Hau ] #149898 - 07/27/2007 10:42 AM
Keith Larson Webboard User Reg: 04-09-2007 Posts: 363 Loc: Riverside, CA Offline	I didn't read all the information on the Parvo site, maybe this question is answered somewhere. 1) You know that your yard has Parvo. What is the mortality rate if you catch the Parvo at its very first symptoms and have a plan of action in place? When I saw the first symptom in Tasha I took her right to the vet. They tested her and it came back positive. I gave her lots of fluids and made sure she was hydrated.
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Sarah Morris wrote 07/27/2007 11:00 AM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Keith Larson ] #149902 - 07/27/2007 11:00 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Keith, I know from observation only that if parvo is caught early and treated properly pups can and do pull through. A co-worker's pit had it and he is now a healthy, strapping 4 year old. The only pup I ever saw die of parvo wasn't brought to the vet until he was in the end-stages of the disease. True
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Polly Gregor wrote 07/28/2007 05:21 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Keith Larson ] #150009 - 07/28/2007 05:21 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	Denise, If your vet states that the pup had Parvo, you can't get the puppy from the breeder. The only options are an older dog or waiting for a pup, or taking the foster. The only other chance I can see is if the pup got slightly ill from the attenuated vaccine strain. If the pup was in poor overal health, that may be possibe, and if so, this virus, even if it was shed in your yard, would not be a risk for a healthy pup. The test would involve DNA analysis of the dog's stool, not a standard lab test.
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Denise Hau wrote 07/28/2007 08:51 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Polly Gregor ] #150016 - 07/28/2007 08:51 PM
Denise Hau Webboard User Reg: 02-17-2007 Posts: 170 Loc: Warner Robins, GA Offline	See, the problem is that the dog was fine until she got the vaccinations. She started vomiting the day after and her stools were firm for three days before the shots given. It all went downhill from there. I have done my research via the internet and so many websites confirm that the vaccine can give a false positive. Is it possible that the live vaccine gave her the parvo if her immune system was low? The rescue group is SUPPOSE to have her checked out by their vets and get back to me. I requested that they keep in touch with me because those results affect our family's decisions on what dog to get. Why do you suggest a DNA test rather than a CBC? This is all new to me.
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Polly Gregor wrote 07/28/2007 11:12 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Denise Hau ] #150020 - 07/28/2007 11:12 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	The most likely cause of the disease is exposure to a field strain of virus 7-14 days prior to the vaccine, and the vaccine was irrelevant. But it makes sense that some generally sick pups could be made sick by an attenuated vaccine that would be handled easily by a healthy pup. In people, immunicompromosed patients can't recieve the standard small pox vaccine, because it can in some cases spread in the patient, while it never could in a healthy person. One key question is that I do not know the incubation period one would expect from an infection from the attenuated virus. A standard exposure to "wild" parvo has a 7-14 day incubation period. It does make sense to me scientifically that if would be faster then a traditional exposure, because the dosage is probably higher. The DNA test would differentiate between field and vaccine strains of parvo in the stool. This is not a standard test at all, but a research tool.
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Denise Hau wrote 07/30/2007 07:30 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Polly Gregor ] #150179 - 07/30/2007 07:30 PM
Denise Hau Webboard User Reg: 02-17-2007 Posts: 170 Loc: Warner Robins, GA Offline	IF this puppy got sick by the shot, does it make any difference in bringing another puppy to my house? Parvo is parvo no matter the source right?
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Jenni Williams wrote 07/31/2007 12:13 PM Re: Dreaded Parvo [Re: Polly Gregor ] #150239 - 07/31/2007 12:13 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	Quote: polly gregor A standard exposure to "wild" parvo has a 7-14 day incubation period. It does make sense to me scientifically that if would be faster then a traditional exposure, because the dosage is probably higher. Aside from the dosage variable, how about the fact that with "wild" Parvo, the dog's initial immune defenses have an opportunity to work-ie, mucous membranes and other barriers??? In no other form than a vaccine is a disease directly injected into the body, removing nearly all the body's early defense systems from the equation. This is not how diseases naturally occur, and one of my main issues with vaccines. With the combination of vaccines given, coupled with stress and worming, I don't think it's too terribly difficult to see what happened here (my apologies to the drug companies). How readily available and ACCURATE would the test be to determine if that pup really even had Parvo? Yes, false postives DO result sometimes. That pup could've easily just gotten sick from toxin-overload, and Denise may forfeit a pup for no reason.
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