Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2011 11:56 AM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Dana Martin ] #321222 - 03/10/2011 11:56 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Cassie, if your Lab sub-thread needs expanding, please start a new one. We already have two merged threads here... hijack not so great. LOL Thanks.
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Dana Martin wrote 03/10/2011 12:10 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321225 - 03/10/2011 12:10 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: sharon empson ... I wanted to see if anyone here has had experience with this type of diet or this disease they are treating him for. (right now the vets are trying to rule out different things. They are treating him for reflux for 10 days to see if his symptoms improve.) .... This is the first time the symptoms of upset stomach have appeared and lasted this long. (2 weeks) He is only having problems in the morning when he wakes up he needs to eat right away. ... "He is only having problems in the morning / when he wakes up he needs to eat right away" ... What happened with late-night snack? How late, how much food? Did something else happen to preclude that late-night-snack experiment? Just a side note....if it truly is GERD, a late night snack would probably make it worse (if it makes it better - it's probably not GERD). Late night snacks with GERD will increase acid production that will then sit around in the stomach and cause the vomiting episodes in the morning. The other problem this can cause if not treated with a PPI (i.e., Prevacid, Prilosec, Protonix, etc) or an H2 Blocker (i.e., Tagamet, Zantac) or something is that gastric and esophageal erosions and ulcers can occur. I'm going to restate my warnings from the other post here: If your dog vomits something other than bile - especially blood (bright red or old, dark black appearing - either one) - CALL YOUR VET If your dog passes bright red blood in his stool, or has black, tarry stools - CALL YOUR VET Bright red blood is a sign that something is ACTIVELY bleeding. Old blood will appear black - both in vomit and in stool. This means something HAS BEEN but probably is not actively bleeding. That doesn't mean it can't or won't start again. Either way, it's something that needs to be addressed ASAP. I want to reiterate again....my recommendations and opinions expressed here are from 20 years experience as a human GI nurse. Nothing more, nothing less. Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2011 12:20 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Dana Martin ] #321228 - 03/10/2011 12:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: dana martin ... Just a side note....if it truly is GERD, a late night snack would probably make it worse (if it makes it better - it's probably not GERD). Late night snacks with GERD will increase acid production that will then sit around in the stomach and cause the vomiting episodes in the morning. The other problem this can cause if not treated with a PPI (i.e., Prevacid, Prilosec, Protonix, etc) or an H2 Blocker (i.e., Tagamet, Zantac) or something is that gastric and esophageal erosions and ulcers can occur. I'm going to restate my warnings from the other post here: If your dog vomits something other than bile - especially blood (bright red or old, dark black appearing - either one) - CALL YOUR VET If your dog passes bright red blood in his stool, or has black, tarry stools - CALL YOUR VET Bright red blood is a sign that something is ACTIVELY bleeding. Old blood will appear black - both in vomit and in stool. This means something HAS BEEN but probably is not actively bleeding. That doesn't mean it can't or won't start again. Either way, it's something that needs to be addressed ASAP. I want to reiterate again....my recommendations and opinions expressed here are from 20 years experience as a human GI nurse. Nothing more, nothing less. According to the O.P.: " if he doesn't get his breakfast quickly, he does throw up what looks like bile, no blood, small amount of bile. " Sharon, has something superseded the original post? Dana, what was the other post you mention here: "I'm going to restate my warnings from the other post here." ? I must have missed something from another thread. Is the dog still: "if he doesn't get his breakfast quickly, he does throw up what looks like bile, no blood, small amount of bile. " (original post) and "He is only having problems in the morning when he wakes up he needs to eat right away" (today's new thread)?
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Dana Martin wrote 03/10/2011 12:27 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321230 - 03/10/2011 12:27 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Yes, Connie....need to know what has changed, if anything, and why they believe it's GERD and how they are treating it. What other test results are they waiting for, too? Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Dana Martin wrote 03/10/2011 12:28 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321231 - 03/10/2011 12:28 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	OOPS, sorry, Connie. That was from the HGE thread. My bad. Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2011 12:29 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Dana Martin ] #321232 - 03/10/2011 12:29 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	OK. Good. Because this thread is confused enough. LOL
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Dana Martin wrote 03/10/2011 12:31 PM Re: low protein diet for dogs=update on Cody [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321233 - 03/10/2011 12:31 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Quote: connie sutherland OK. Good. Because this thread is confused enough. LOL You know what they say: "Some help is better than none!" Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Sharon Empson wrote 03/10/2011 04:43 PM Re: question re: intestinal disdurbance in dog cody [Re: Sharon Empson ] #321281 - 03/10/2011 04:43 PM
Sharon Empson Webboard User Reg: 08-27-2007 Posts: 1197 Loc: Offline	found results of cody's test low folate and cabalamin levels. going to doctor tomorrow for injection and needs it once a week. researching now..... Sharon Empson
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2011 04:56 PM Re: question re: intestinal disdurbance in dog cody [Re: Sharon Empson ] #321283 - 03/10/2011 04:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Sharon, what were you seeing in addition to this? "if he doesn't get his breakfast quickly, he does throw up what looks like bile, no blood, small amount of bile. " and "He is only having problems in the morning when he wakes up he needs to eat right away."  Quote: sharon empson ... researching now..... https://www.fetchdog.com/learn-connect/dog-resource-library/health/diagnostic-tests/Testing-for-Pancreatic-Disease-in-Dogs/D/300600/P/1:5:55:601:6103/I/AR000010057 Scroll down to "Are there other tests to diagnose EPI" http://www.springerlink.com/content/gqe8cfpybfr9u0l2/ http://www.vetnet.co.uk/forum/folate-cabalamin-levels-200906152003308765.htm http://www.epi4dogs.com/sibo.htm The book Veterinary Hematology and Clinical Chemistry by Thrall, Baker and Lassen, if you can get it; it has discussion and interpretation of Cobalamin/Folate test results) http://www.vetinfo.com/dpaninsf.html Scroll to "Pancreatic insufficiency with small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO)" and "Chronic Diarrhea in German Shepherd."
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Joyce Salazar wrote 03/10/2011 05:04 PM Re: question re: intestinal disdurbance in dog cody [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321285 - 03/10/2011 05:04 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Wow! That is amazing Connie! You blow my mind...a walking supernova of information! Joyce Salazar
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