Awesome!!! Dutchies are so cool when they work.

Got it, makes sense now.

Thanks guys.

I will take the help for the PP in the appropriate forum. That was his very first time since after teething. I will set up a more structured scenario and film then ask for help.

My apologizes for my ignorance in the other videos. Those who helped me I appreciate it.

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My apologizes for my ignorance in the other videos. Those who helped me I appreciate it.

Taking constructive criticism onboard and to heart is good.

I didnt come here to teach I came for some help. Dont be gentle around me I can take it, lol. The help I have been given thus far is invaluable and really steered me toward the right direction.

This is my new hobby and as you can see from the other vids I only know competition shooting. We see idiots all the time and we love the ones who listen and dont have an attitude when offered advice. Its hard to not be "that guy" sometimes but trust me I am humbled and trying here. I am borderline OCD and willing to learn so lets have it, hahaha.

I will make it my goal asap to do a couple more videos for you guys to watch and help me on. I guess I got all excited now that Jagger is doing all the obedience commands and I let what I learned go sloppy. It was a lot of work to get what is seen in that video but it finally came together this week. Like magic he finally did the STAND and I have been trying to get that for months. I knew my markers were off and I kept thinking and after changing some things I got it quick.

Get one of the marker DVDs suggested and a lot of questions about timing will be cleared up.
There is no benefit for me to push the DVDs. I don't get paid for doing it. I don't work for LB...or anyone for that matter. I'm retired 10 yrs.
The DVDs are just that good for beginners and experienced folks both.

I have the Power or training dogs with food dvd. I thought it was better or at least the same as the leerburg marker training dvd. Is there more info to be learned in the leerurg version?

I have no stake in the DVD sales either. Darn it.

The one you have is good. It's the first Ellis one. The other one (#219) was pre-Ellis series, basically as an intro for those who have never heard of marker training.

But the one you have is excellent: http://leerburg.com/training-with-food.htm

There's "how markers work" info in the first one (219) that is useful to most people, but you're fine.


Have you watched the whole thing?






For clarity:

This is # 219: http://leerburg.com/219.htm

This is the first Ellis one, version 2: http://leerburg.com/training-with-food.htm

Watched it like x4.

There is so much going on I pick up on new stuff each time. I have most all the Ellis videos and watched each more then once. Like I mentioned in the video I posted I got lazy with my markers having been so excited getting all the obedience I wanted finally. Obviously at 5 months old I got him doing that by doing something correctly, lol. Took lots of work daily and it paid off.

Right now I am realizing Jagger is more toy motivated and giving me more energy when I play tug. I am about to watch that video again this weekend. I dont quite have him bringing the tug back when I release it but he at least stopped running away with it, lol. He starts to play keep away so I say "no" then he reluctantly lets me come grab it then I mark "yes" and start the play again. I am sure it will happen soon that he brings it back like seen in the videos. Other then that he will "out" beautifully and do obedience for the tug.

My confusion is when using toy reward how to mark. If he outs I say "yes" but then that means come bite it again. If I want obedience then I have been saying "out" then "good" followed by obedience and once he does the sit, down, etc I release with "yes" and he gets to re bite and play. I am stuck on that bridge between what to do for marking the release but then transitioning to obedience. I watched Cindy in the Ellis Tug video she "outs" then says down, sit etc followed by "yes" and goes again. So I guess what I am saying how do I mark the out but not mean he gets a re bite but instead does some obedience. That bridge is where I am confused.

As a side benefit working with the tug in new places is going to be priority right now. At home I get a nice growl and super solid bite but in new places its mouthy and lazy bites where he wont grip. Time for a few weeks just engagement and tug in new places I think. I am still in this transitional period I can see. I am not quite off food for some things and honestly I am sure I will always find scenarios where a food reward will still be beneficial. On the other hand for the obedience stuff I notice more energy right now with a tug. I dont quite have all the criteria so I am still using both food and toy for now.

Here is another marker question:

Specifically I am working on not exiting or entering a door until I say so. When I say "outside" and he goes I use "yes" but I also use "yes" as a release to enter for sitting at the door and waiting to come in. I thought about this so I now am going to give 2 commands to enter and the other to exit. When he performs either I mark "yes" and food reward. When I have the slider open and am in the kitchen I randomly walk buy and use "good" then food reward for keeping at the door but not entering. For the most part he does great but being a puppy he still finds ways to cheat. The little bugger is smart too. He will put 2 paws inside and when I say "no" he puts paws back outside and I say "yes" followed by food reward. He turned it into a game now to get the reward by doing this over and over, lol. So now I ignore this and make it more random when I mark and reward.

I am fortunate enough to have got a very well breed dog that allows me to make mistakes and he still is smart enough to learn. For a first timer dog trainer I am truly fortunate to have this. The dog is very smart and very willing to work making my experience much easier.

"On the other hand for the obedience stuff I notice more energy right now with a tug. I dont quite have all the criteria so I am still using both food and toy for now. "


First, here's a discussion of that, and what you want to have in place before moving to toys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLH8WHyaNFo



I'm reading that you don't quite have step three (the dog brings it back) in place.