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[Re: Mara Jessup ]
#304869 - 11/29/2010 05:53 PM |
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I register that the dogs are different, don't get me wrong. But the methods of training are not night and day, from what I know.
You might like to join this forum to read this thread (and some of the others there) on a board for working dogs only.
http://www.WorkingDogForum.com/vBulletin/f33/loose-eyed-dogs-vs-strong-eyed-dog-starting-trialling-training-17766/
Without answering the questions Mara and I (and others) have asked, there really isn't much to talk about. I know you don't want people to see your post and think it's good training. But I highly doubt that will happen.
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[Re: Mara Jessup ]
#304874 - 11/29/2010 06:04 PM |
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#304878 - 11/29/2010 06:25 PM |
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PS. Mara, I was just looking through some older intros on WDF and saw the pictures of your dogs. They are gorgeous!! I love Miss' sweet face.
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[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#304879 - 11/29/2010 06:27 PM |
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thanks for the duck articles. what breed of sheep are people using. i am thinking of getting South African Merinos. they seem to flock well, easy to maintain and have a great acronym. many run Damarras & Dorpers (spelling?) but opinions on there use are very polarised, some won't have them and others will have nothing else.
thanks for the links Katie. no reflection on you or others if i am not prepared to detail unhumane, IMO, techniques. enough bad info out there already. this great site does need them listed. i know the natives here can tell good from bad - that doesn't mean others can, hope you can accept that.
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[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#304882 - 11/29/2010 06:34 PM |
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Peter-my dog is from internet, bought because I'm at the end of farming life, he was supposed to be super tiny, "fly under the seat in front" <20 lbs. He's 25lb. Some days lame.
His natural style is to bark at the cows face, get her attention, and then run where he wants the cow to go. Not REAL effective! He will heel now, and bunch up the cattle, after the duck work. He does not like petting.He is very serious.
Mara-the AKC herder in the Twin Cities was terrific, top of her game, I didn't have enough dog for that group, the people were in super compete mode, even in conversation with each other.
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[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#304886 - 11/29/2010 06:44 PM |
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Peter I would pick sheep based upon the environment you're in and then worry about getting the dog to herd them. For instance my area is super wet 10 months of the year so foot rot and related issues are common. So the most common quality sheep we see in these parts are Romney and suffolk x's which handle the damp fairly well and are at least a little hoof rot resistant.
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[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#304887 - 11/29/2010 06:53 PM |
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Betty not sure of the link between end of farming life and buying a dog off the net? the ACD's i have seen work tend to be used to agressively chase and harrass cattle that break from herd. the concept for stock is that it is better to stay with the herd than to leave it, can be very effective on rough cattle barking isn't a breed characteristic i know of, i am more familiar with silent hard heelers.
my dog tends to build a living fence around stock and takes it personally if anything moves, puts her in hyper drive and will circle madly. i know this is lack of confidence in the dog and hope mileage and lots of work on larger flock numbers and lots of stops in corners will relieve the stress of losing the herd. i am building a larger pen with corners to try help. the BC trainers tend to like circular pens. moving stock through obstacles will be a real challenge for my dog. hopefully someone has gone through this process and have some clues.
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[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#304893 - 11/29/2010 07:39 PM |
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Try building a more obtuse pen Peter.
In case I didn't speak slowly enough the last time, read my lips.
What kind of training are you talking about that's so abusive that it can't be mentioned?
Something so abhorrent it can't even be mentioned on a DOG TRAINING FORUM? Something so bad, it can never be even whispered?
What is this big dark secret that only you have possession of Peter?
Randy
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He posted that it was defense-table training, and table training isn't discussed here.
I guess I don't understand what defense-table training is doing on a herding thread. But it's not discussed on this board, anyway.
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[Re: randy allen ]
#304916 - 11/29/2010 08:37 PM |
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Chasing and harrassing cattle is not allowed here. We ask cows to move, then we back off.
I am familiar with the ACD style you describe. Had one for 13 yrs, hired man has one now, she's not permitted here.
We raise halter broke bulls and heifers and locker beef (the ones that don't make the grade).
We have a relationship with our cattle based on trust and respect.
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[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#304943 - 11/29/2010 10:09 PM |
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