Roger Blowers wrote 10/31/2006 04:18 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Steve Keyishian ] #116682 - 10/31/2006 04:18 PM
Roger Blowers Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2005 Posts: 115 Loc: Costa Blanca, Spain Offline	Abusing a dog is not feeding it, hitting it, not giving it shelter, etc.. If you want to think the way you do there is no one that can change your mind but if you are all for "natural" what type of dog do you own? So you'd exclude "causing unnecessary pain" from your 'etcetera', would you Steve? Strangely, you'll think, I have a saying which I remind myself of when I am umpiring field-hockey: "Even when you are ABSOLUTELY SURE you are Right, you COULD be Wrong!" I am still ready to be convinced in this case. The only new fact I've learnt so far is that the pain involved in ear-cropping is minimal.... can you quote your dog on that? <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> FWIW, we have a 2yo Malinois x GSD which we got from a dog-rescue centre, here in Spain. Roger
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Steve Keyishian wrote 10/31/2006 04:32 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Roger Blowers ] #116683 - 10/31/2006 04:32 PM
Steve Keyishian Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 173 Loc: Offline	Quote: The only new fact I've learnt so far is that the pain involved in ear-cropping is minimal.... can you quote your dog on that? <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> As soon as you quote yours telling you it is painful. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> *edited to add that when I picked my guy up from the vet he was in no visable pain nor did he make a peep or a growl for that matter when they were touched. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Candi Campbell wrote 10/31/2006 05:11 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Roger Blowers ] #116684 - 10/31/2006 05:11 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Roger, here's a slight comparison to think about (at least I hope you'll appreciate what I view as a connection, anyway): I had my sons circumcised when they were 8 days old -- Our Pediatrician did both surgeries in his office without ANY painkillers, but neither infact cried at all, nor even so much as twitched (no, I am NOT kidding!)... How could this possibly have been the case ??? Well, as many mothers know, if you breastfeed your baby WHILE it's getting a shot, or having blood drawn, or being circumcised, they won't ever notice the proceedure is even taking place -- So, when folks claim that their 8 week old pup never showed any signs of pain/trauma/suffering from an ear crop done under anesthesia, I believe them <:-) How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Kristel Smart wrote 10/31/2006 05:39 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Candi Campbell ] #116685 - 10/31/2006 05:39 PM
Kristel Smart Webboard User Reg: 10-03-2006 Posts: 1548 Loc: Vermont Offline	It's true. There aren't any signs of pain. No change in personality, and no sensitivities in the ear area. This is why I don't understand why folks are so crazed around this subject and why it has become such a big deal. I think the posting is more of a PITA for the owner than the dog. My dogs have been completely non-reactive to any of it.
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Greg Myers   wrote 10/31/2006 08:28 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Candi Campbell ] #116686 - 10/31/2006 08:28 PM
Greg Myers   Webboard User Reg: 09-15-2006 Posts: 23 Loc: MI, USA Offline	Quote: Well, if I'd had my ex neutered after our last son was born, I wouldn't have had to dump him two years later for cheating with something he found under a rock at work, LOL Don't think of it as cheating, think of it as giving you more time to spend with your dog. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> If you always do what you've always done, you'll always have what you've always had.
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Roger Blowers wrote 11/01/2006 02:40 AM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Kristel Smart ] #116687 - 11/01/2006 02:40 AM
Roger Blowers Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2005 Posts: 115 Loc: Costa Blanca, Spain Offline	"I don't understand why folks are so crazed around this subject" I haven't seen any "crazed" posts on this forum on the subject, Kristel... maybe you think differently? It's been, IMO, a generally courteous exchange of differing views, and, of course, no-one is forced to read or contribute <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Roger
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Steve Keyishian wrote 11/01/2006 05:56 AM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Roger Blowers ] #116688 - 11/01/2006 05:56 AM
Steve Keyishian Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 173 Loc: Offline	No crazed posts, just crazed accusations.
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Mike Sanchez wrote 11/01/2006 07:58 AM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Steve Keyishian ] #116689 - 11/01/2006 07:58 AM
Mike Sanchez Webboard User Reg: 05-18-2003 Posts: 305 Loc: Offline	Every body part has a purpose guys. For instance, their tails keep them aerodynamic. Notice how a GSD spins his tail like a propeller to slow him down before he hits the decoy. And hanging ears are all about protection from the elements. If you've noticed, most dogs with naturally erect ears have more protective thicker fur on the inner ear than dogs with hanging ears. That's just mother nature working 2 different ways. And understand that when you modify your dog, you are changing what was once a complete dog. Question: How can you be a true fan of a certain breed if it requires modifications? If tradition is that important to you, well that's just the class you belong in.
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Kristel Smart wrote 11/01/2006 08:58 AM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Mike Sanchez ] #116690 - 11/01/2006 08:58 AM
Kristel Smart Webboard User Reg: 10-03-2006 Posts: 1548 Loc: Vermont Offline	HUMAN BEINGS have created the domestic dog in the sizes and shapes that suited OUR purposes. Harsh and unfair maybe, but true. Mother nature had very little to do with it. In fact, there are no floppy-eared canines in the wild. There are very few domestic dogs that would survive in a strictly "natural" world. Re: body parts: I have watched lure coursing with Greyhounds (my other favorite breed) and it has been a long held belief that their tails give them balance. There are more than a few Greyhounds that have had to have their tails removed due to injury that still compete successfully, and are no less balanced than their buds that still have tails.
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Mike Sanchez wrote 11/01/2006 01:59 PM Re: Thoughts On Ear Cropping [Re: Kristel Smart ] #116691 - 11/01/2006 01:59 PM
Mike Sanchez Webboard User Reg: 05-18-2003 Posts: 305 Loc: Offline	Quote: HUMAN BEINGS have created the domestic dog in the sizes and shapes that suited OUR purposes. The whole dog is what humans created. Then people go and modify a perfectly good dog. Sure it had purpose. But these days it's purely cosmetic, since most people have no idea about the history of the Doberman or what the real purpose of docking their tails was.  Quote: it has been a long held belief that their tails give them balance. It's not only used for communication. Pay closer attention; watch a GSD or a Mal use his tail to slow down before hitting the decoy. It doesn't just go everywhere erratically. It's very fluid movement. Cats use their tails too, to shift their weight when they're off balance to make sure they land on their feet. And people wonder how they do this... Every body part has a purpose.
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