 Re: Dog Town
[Re: Jennifer Marshal ]
#173943 - 01/08/2008 06:07 PM |
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I didn't see the show, but the obvious lack of experience of the trainers reminds me of an episode of Animal Cops where the "behaviorist" was testing to see if the rescued dog was aggressive towards children by waving around a doll the size of a two year old attached to the end of a long stick. Of course the dog was weirded out by this and freaked out a little bit and growled, who wouldn't? And I'm so sure the dog equated that doll to a real child. Based on this revolutionary testing, it was decided the dog should not be adopted out to a family with children.
They did end up finding a home for him, but thank god they didn't use a life sized dummy in the test because it probably would have freaked out about that as well and been put to sleep.
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[Re: Trevor Lears ]
#174159 - 01/09/2008 04:53 PM |
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If I remember right and correct me if I'm wrong but was the woman handling the black terrier giving the dog affection when it was acting aggresive? Also why did they say that the only chance for the two dogs to socialize with other dogs was to seperate them? I did see that animal cops show and it seemed a little strange using dolls, I guess you can just bring in a stuffed dog or cat to see if the dog can be around animals???
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Re: Dog Town
[Re: Lindsay Janes ]
#175132 - 01/13/2008 10:06 PM |
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I wasn't impressed with Dog town either. I didn't like their position on they way they introduce dogs either. they should have stepped in when the dog started dominating the other dog.
I really like Cesar Milan and I work very similar to him. It took a longtime to get there too. I would not reccomend anyone to try his techniques unless they understood the dog psych end of it like he does and are able to stay in that calm assertive state of mind like he says.
Rehabilitating dogs is my specialty. Even well trained dogs develop issues from time to time. That is why it is important to understand the dog and fulfill the primal needs of the dog and incorporate that with training. If one understand this and practice preventive measures along the way dogs are usually ok.
Providing proper leadership and fulfilling the dogs needs is an important part of the process if you want to have a happy stable dog.
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[Re: John Corbett ]
#176069 - 01/18/2008 08:39 PM |
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Ok. Well I have seen three episodes so far and I must say that they do great work with old and sick dogs and ones with medical problems. The story of Wiggles was very sweet it was very sad.
I will just add that I hope people don't try the methods they use, at home. And please please please... do NOT do what they did with the scared female Joleen. They took a scared shy dog and flooded her, they left her panting heavily and cowing in a crate from fear because they took her into a busy office. This is the wrong approach for a scared or shy dog and would be a good way to induce a fear bite.
Not knowing the whole story I will not say anything further but I wanted to add that for anyone who saw the show. As with any TV show ... "Do not try this at home." That includes CMs show and any other dog training or behavior show.
Again, they are definitely not all bad, they do a lot of good, it just frustrates me to see a dog put through so much unnecessary stress.
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[Re: Jennifer Marshal ]
#176124 - 01/19/2008 06:45 AM |
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I didn't see the whole show last night but didn't quit get what was up with Bones. If they've had the dog for over ten years because of aggression problems why suddenly decide he needs a home. At almost twelve I would think the sanctuary is all he knows and that is home for him.
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[Re: lisa kidd ]
#176282 - 01/19/2008 07:40 PM |
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Yes Lisa I agree, I was a bit confused with that as well. It seems he has not shown aggression for a couple of years and just suddenly decided to try and find him a home?
I could go on and on about their methods but I won't, and I still want to stress the fact that what they do, the rescue work and the care they give is a wonderful thing.. I just have different views and methods in dealing with dogs than they do. Methods that are less stressful and more affective. But I will try and give them some benefit of the doubt in that I am sure some things are askew thanks to TV editing.
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Re: Dog Town
[Re: Jennifer Marshal ]
#176388 - 01/20/2008 08:42 AM |
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I would figure in most other rescues time and space is a problem which is why they do the cookie cutter training and testing. Dog town semms to not have that problem and they act like they work individually on some dogs and can take the time with them, they claim if the animals don't get adopted they always have a home there.It seems very positive reinforcement training and these dogs have had it so bad so lets feel sorry and go easy on them. I don't think some leadership, obedience and structure would hurt the dogs, they would probably respond quicker meaning easier placement. JMO
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[Re: John Malufka ]
#176618 - 01/21/2008 08:39 AM |
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Someone brought to my attention that they had heard Michael Vick's dogs were going to a place in, I believe, Utah. I wonder if this is the facility. BW
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#176624 - 01/21/2008 08:58 AM |
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how about the episode with the wacked out bulldog-
to see if he was aggressive with cats-they put him around a cat-once-and made their decision.
Of course he showed interest, a lady was holding a small furry on the floor, and he wasnt allowed to go sniff-my dogs would be going nuts-that doesn't mean they would kill it.
Even if he was going to hurt the cat-they never corrected his behavior-never told him to not bite the carrier, nothing.
Most dogs that want to eat the family cat will stop with simple leadership and training.
i know he got adopted in the end, but if they were already having a hard time finding a home-why would they not even attempt to have him get along with cats.
When i first got maya, she went after my cats every chance she got-and i corrected the snot out of her for it. She stopped.
they are doing a good thing, but sometimes i wonder, if they even made an attempt at real training-how many of their animals would find homes sooner.
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[Re: Bre Willison ]
#176625 - 01/21/2008 08:59 AM |
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Someone brought to my attention that they had heard Michael Vick's dogs were going to a place in, I believe, Utah. I wonder if this is the facility. BW
Yes, this is where Michael Vick's dogs are. They can't give any info about the dogs til the court case is closed.
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