chuck moore wrote 07/24/2008 07:18 PM urinating dog #202753 - 07/24/2008 07:18 PM
chuck moore Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2007 Posts: 33 Loc: Alexandria, IN Offline	I have a friend with a one year old male german shepherd. He over corrected the dog and now the dog urinates whenever my friend calls him, and at times even if he approaches the dog to pet him. I am trying to help him solve the issue and would like some advice. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it.
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Carol Boche wrote 07/24/2008 07:40 PM Re: urinating dog [Re: chuck moore ] #202754 - 07/24/2008 07:40 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Please explain "over corrected"? I would start with going back to basics and TOTAL positive reinforcement. Also, I would not stand over this dog, as this is a dominance issue which 9 times out of 10 will cause submissive behavior. Everything your friend does with this dog from now on, NEEDS to be positive and happy. I would also change the commands that cause the issue. For example, if he uses "come" as a command, change it to "heir" and so on. Changing the commands may help as the dog should not associate the command with the correction. Does that make sense? Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Melissa Thom wrote 07/24/2008 07:43 PM Re: urinating dog [Re: chuck moore ] #202755 - 07/24/2008 07:43 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Do you feel it's normal submissive wetting or fear based loss of bladder/bowel control? The two usually need to be treated differently. If you're not sure which watch the dog's body language. If the dog does the recall... then on finishing the recall does a roachbacked wee that's usually submissive wetting. If the dog freezes, eyes freeze, goes stiff legged, and then wees that's fear based.
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chuck moore wrote 07/25/2008 07:50 AM Re: urinating dog [Re: Melissa Thom ] #202768 - 07/25/2008 07:50 AM
chuck moore Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2007 Posts: 33 Loc: Alexandria, IN Offline	Thanks for the info so far. Carol, he corrected the dog by lifting the front feet off of the ground and holding it for a while. It it my understanding that he was very angry with the dog. His wife said "it was bad". Melissa, I will check on the dogs body language today.
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randy allen wrote 07/25/2008 09:40 AM Re: urinating dog [Re: chuck moore ] #202772 - 07/25/2008 09:40 AM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Chuck, So is your friend pleased with himself? My first suggestion for your friend is to: get a newspaper, roll it up very tight and repeating the phrase 'bad boy, bad boy' over and over, he beats himself up good with it. If he can ever get his dog back, and it is an if, it's going to take alot of patience and understanding on your friends part. Paramount is going to be the big step in change of attitude toward the dog. If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong. Randy
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Aaron Myracle wrote 07/25/2008 09:57 AM Re: urinating dog [Re: randy allen ] #202774 - 07/25/2008 09:57 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Chuck, I think instead of trying to give your friend advice, the most helpful thing you can do would be to point him to Ed's articles. Unless that dog bit (or tried to bite) someone, he didn't deserve to be hung, which is what it sounds like he did. "Angry" and correction don't belong in the same room. Basically what it boils down to is, he didn't just overcorrect the dog- he showed the dog that he isn't a calm or stable leader. He's damned lucky the dog didn't turn on him.
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Carol Boche wrote 07/25/2008 11:40 AM Re: urinating dog [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #202782 - 07/25/2008 11:40 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Alyssa Myracle Chuck, I think instead of trying to give your friend advice, the most helpful thing you can do would be to point him to Ed's articles. I print out Ed's articles as some people do not want to spend the time reading from a computer screen, and some may not even have a computer. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to help someone, and if you incorporate it with good information it is that much better. Sounds like a bad deal. Good luck and keep us posted. There are only a couple reasons a dog should be hung and it needs to be done correctly. It is going to be a long road for your friend I am afraid..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Melissa Thom wrote 07/25/2008 12:18 PM Re: urinating dog [Re: Carol Boche ] #202786 - 07/25/2008 12:18 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Alot of people do things wrong in the moment, especially while angry. I think the key to fixing this is to change the question. How do I help my friend fix the relationship and trust with his dog? First unless the party that hung this dog agrees that they will never issue such a correction again or give their dog any reason to fear them I can't see this issue getting better. If you can't get that commitment IMO it's better to wash your hands of the situation now or offer to take the dog to a rescue. I have a similar conversation often with people who believe smacking/forcing a dog around is a way to train or detour unwanted behavior. These folks often come to me for a magic button solution when the only solution is really to look in the mirror and make a decision on how one chooses to live their life. Dogs after all are not for everyone.
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Debbie Fergus wrote 07/26/2008 12:32 AM Re: urinating dog [Re: Melissa Thom ] #202851 - 07/26/2008 12:32 AM
Debbie Fergus Webboard User Reg: 04-03-2008 Posts: 65 Loc: Santa Barbara, California Offline	What was he correcting - or intimidating the dog for? What was the dog doing or not doing that caused this to erupt? I am curious about this. Have A Great Day, Debbie
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