Aaron, thanks for setting me straight about the study. From further research, I seem to find it too was straight from a seminar. I emailed the woman who gave the seminar and I will post if I get a response.
You're far from the first person to subscribe to the "German Study". I did as well, until someone challenged me to actually produce the study.
Its honestly kind of easy to see why someone accepting money to train dogs would shy away from saying "its too hard to correct on a choke, prongs are easier".
With that said, I still use the prong for some purposes and the corrections don't need to be as hard (especially with my hard headed dog) and I still am a proponent of their use.
Far from it. There are many reasons why a prong is superior to a choke chain.
I just think its counterproductive to advocating for a quality, effective tool, if we cite studies that don't exist.
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I use a prong on all mine. I've had no problems with it on the long dense hair of a Leonberger. I don't think you'd have any problem with a prong in a beardie coat either. In fact, the hair actually helps the prong stay in place better high on the neck, right behind the ears--it doesn't slip down so easily like on a shorter haired neck.
Aaron, I didn't take it like that at all and did not mean to sound like I did. In fact you suggested the prong at the end of your posting. I was reiterating to the OP that even if the study I stated doesn't in fact exist, I still am an advocate for the prong.
Thanks so much everyone for all the great advice! So if I do decide to go with a prong (my trainer is going to let me try one in our next class--then I can get some idea of how my dog reacts to it), I would need a back-up collar right, in case it comes undone? Is the dominant dog collar "the collar" to go with? Or does a martingale work well too?
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Since your dog is a problem lunger if you do go with the prong yes, I think a backup would be a good idea. An oversized DD collar works or a choke/fursaver chain. I wouldn't use the martingale without a collar connector.
I would agree with Melissa, you should backup your prong. I have only had a prong come off 1 dog 1 time, and I didn't have a backup, luckily I was walking the dog and the dog was being civil and waited for me to put the prong back on. I now back up with just their regular flat buckle collar, but I know I can control them with this if the prong comes off. If you are worried about not being able to control your dog with the prong off, then I would suggest a properly fitted dominant dog collar. See Ed's video on how to measure and order:
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