Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#297763 - 09/25/2010 11:16 AM |
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connie and barbara my friends are saying to me to add yogurt or curd to the dry food and some cooked veges like potato what do you guys say can i add curd to the dry royal canin food :s i only get royal canin pedigree and eukanuba here so i prefer canin is bit better than those 2 if you guys used anyone of these suggest me good one :S and pls tell what all i can add to the dry food
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
[Re: uma deekshith ]
#297773 - 09/25/2010 03:39 PM |
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connie and barbara my friends are saying to me to add yogurt or curd to the dry food and some cooked veges like potato what do you guys say can i add curd to the dry royal canin food :s i only get royal canin pedigree and eukanuba here so i prefer canin is bit better than those 2 if you guys used anyone of these suggest me good one :S and pls tell what all i can add to the dry food
Unsweetened plain yogurt with live cultures is a fine addition.
But potatoes just add starch, turning the kibble into a much poorer one. Whoever is telling you to add potato to a food that already has a ton of starch is uninformed about canine nutrition.
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
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#297789 - 09/25/2010 08:11 PM |
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I agree that yogurt is great. Instead of starch, I'd rather see you adding cooked egg, bits of cooked meat, or canned fish to the kibble. Other things might include occasional bits of cheese, cooked veggies or even small amounts of fruit like berries. The kibble already had plenty of carbs, so potatoes, pasta, bread should be avoided.
I do agree with the notion of supplementing a kibble diet with small amounts of real food. Variety is good--nutritionally and to make meals interesting.
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
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#299379 - 10/15/2010 02:38 AM |
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hi guys my pup is 4month and 4 days old and she weighs 15klios 33 pounds now im wondering is that ideal weight? the pup is a female now all vaccinations are done ima gonna start raw feeding my doubt is should i feed her more than i feed her now or is she correct in weight and size ill attach some pics http://tinypic.com/r/do4adj/7
http://tinypic.com/r/3480lu9/7 http://tinypic.com/r/2ywedts/7
ill start raw feeding with boneless chicken and some cooked rice is it good to start with? btw is that a myth that says not to feed the puppy milk? buffalo milk i mean
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
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#299395 - 10/15/2010 10:06 AM |
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Every pup grows at different rates--it's difficult to say what any individual pup should weigh at a given age. Best way to tell is to put your hands on her and feel for ribs--you should be able to easily feel them, and to see a definite "waist" when you look down at her.
In your photos, your pup's weight looks normal--but it's hard to tell on a long-haired dog.
You can't really compare the amount of food you were feeding (kibble?) to a raw diet. They are too different, and every kibble has a different caloric density.
For a raw diet, you'll need to weigh the food--at least to start, so that you know how much you're feeding, and then simply monitor her weight and physique. Most GSDs eat, on average, about 1.5 - 2 pounds of food a day. But that is just an average--and it can vary a lot depending on the ultimate adult size of the dog, activity level, and individual metabolism.
PLEASE spend some time reading threads here about what makes up a raw diet, how to start a raw diet, etc. ---there is a wealth of information. You'll quickly find out that a diet of boneless chicken and cooked rice is NOT AT ALL a suitable diet.
Raw feeding is a wonderful way to feed a dog--but only if you have a basic understanding of what to feed and how to go about it. It's not difficult. But do not start until you have an understanding that the diet is based upon "Raw Meaty Bones"--not just meat. And there is no need for starches such as rice--in fact, a lot of rice is just going to either make her fat, or fill her up with relatively empty calories that should have been edible bones, animal fat and meat.
I would not feed her milk. Cultured milk products like yogurt or kefir would be a better idea--but again, this isn't a diet staple.
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
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#299398 - 10/15/2010 10:33 AM |
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ill start raw feeding with boneless chicken and some cooked rice is it good to start with? btw is that a myth that says not to feed the puppy milk? buffalo milk i mean
NO!
PLease let me add my emphatic (and frightened) NO! to Tracy's comment:
"PLEASE spend some time reading threads here about what makes up a raw diet, how to start a raw diet, etc. ---there is a wealth of information. You'll quickly find out that a diet of boneless chicken and cooked rice is NOT AT ALL a suitable diet. "
What you are suggesting is a disaster for a puppy, who will not be able to properly form bones and teeth and internal organs on such a diet.
http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm
http://leerburg.com/feedpups.htm
http://leerburg.com/diet2.htm
A random raw "diet" such as boneless chicken and rice (or the just-ground-beef "diet" I have heard of some morons feeding puppies) is worse than the worst kibble available because it does not provide calcium (for the crucial calcium:phosphorus ratio).
It's really good that you are posting and not proceeding without asking.
I would start reading those three links. Then we will LOVE to answer your questions about how to start.
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#299405 - 10/15/2010 11:14 AM |
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i now totally understrand your opinion connie thanks well my problem is i dont get various range of proties like beef prok and all i can get chicken alot which is only thing cheap for me sheep meat is like trice cost of a chicken lets just say 2 pounds of chicken costs about 3$ for me where as same thing mutton costs me about 9$ ( and one more problem with suppliments i dont get exact same like salmon oil and Vitamin E Soft Gel so i have to look up for suppliments here which provide the exact same vitamins and stuff just if i want to start now i mean i will have to start for wellness of my puppy just having problem how to start with (
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
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#299410 - 10/15/2010 11:25 AM |
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i now totally understrand your opinion connie thanks well my problem is i dont get various range of proties like beef prok and all i can get chicken alot which is only thing cheap for me sheep meat is like trice cost of a chicken lets just say 2 pounds of chicken costs about 3$ for me where as same thing mutton costs me about 9$ ( and one more problem with suppliments i dont get exact same like salmon oil and Vitamin E Soft Gel so i have to look up for suppliments here which provide the exact same vitamins and stuff just if i want to start now i mean i will have to start for wellness of my puppy just having problem how to start with (
You must read those links. The fact that you are talking "boneless" chicken is the really scary part. Not the chicken, but the "boneless" part.
If you read those three links you will see that "boneless" chicken is NOT the basis of a raw diet ---- but chicken parts with the bones still in are indeed what we mean by RMBs.
Check out the photos of the dishes of food. You see those pieces of chicken, intact, bones still in?
Salmon oil can be other fish oil. You would want to be careful that it's not cod LIVER oil, though.
As for variety in added meat, what can you get for pretty cheap? And can you get plain unsweetened yogurt, for example (another source of protein variety)?
But don't get ahead of yourself. Number one is to read those three links. Number two is to look around for a good "beginner RMB" like chicken backs.
Post what you find. Take your time. A puppy can suffer irreparable harm from an extended period on an unbalanced diet.
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Please don't mix kibble and raw.
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Re: Diet suggestion for 4 month old GSD
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#299441 - 10/15/2010 03:01 PM |
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cooked eggs might be another cheap source of protein---but again, only as an addition to a diet that is primarily made up of raw chicken parts with all the bones still in.
Even without access to a wide variety of "red meat"--I think you could put together a respectable raw diet for your pup based on just bone-in chicken, some occasional meals of fish, cooked eggs, yogurt--and a once in a while meal of mutton/goat/beef when you can.
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