I will make it real simple so even Mike can understand.

The dog came from a bad place.

Don't expect too much. You WILL be disappointed

Hips are but one example (the most glaringly obvious) of severe negligence.

Even the best lines can not make up for human stupidity.

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Originally posted by Lauren Woods:
I will make it real simple so even Mike can understand.

Hit a nerve? It always stings a bit, but no need to try to be condescending (it among many other "tactics" don't work on me).

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The dog came from a bad place.
Hips are but one example (the most glaringly obvious) of severe negligence.
Even the best lines can not make up for human stupidity.

So a dog that has HD comes from negligence? Has nothing to do with genetics? Ummmm OK. :rolleyes:

Also, are you implying that the owner of the pup is abusing or neglecting the pup? That's what it sounds like to me. A dog from parents in a bad environment does not always turn out to be a bad dog, just as a dog from parents from a great environment will not always turn out to be a great dog. Genotype is genotype, it gets passed on...phenotype is what is expressed due to the genotype and the environment. Certain traits run in families and is seen from generation to generation, otherwise breeders would have no way to "guess-timate" what they are going to produce. It is not uncommon for DDR lines to go a bit flat during maturation or to develop later than WGR lines.

Unless you have first hand knowledge of the dogs and the environments they grew up in, the breeder that the pup comes from, and the current owner, then maybe you should quit banging on the dog and it's owner and stick to the question asked. All you're really doing is making yourself look like a twit.

As Q's previous owners - and I can promise you, nobody knows that bitch better than us - we know 21 pups she has had (3 litters - 2 bred by us, and another one whelped by us.. as a result of a broken contract)- 90% of these pups we still know, which are now 2 - 3 years old, and none, I repeat.. NONE, ZERO, NADA.. have hips problems. Q's was prelimed excellent at 18 months old.

As for the original poster - Q throws herself VERY heavily in her pups, and at least 80% of the pups out of her that we whelped had amazing drive, very good working candidates.

The dog came from a bad place huh Lauren? Want to elaborate on that?

Originally posted by MikeRussell:
Genotype is genotype, it gets passed on... And there are a lot of breeders that don't properly understand genotype. When the intricacies are lost quality is left to chance. Guess I am the only one that considers negligence to include neglecting to try to prevent genetic disease.

Lauren,

You REALLY need to quit going off on tangents and stay on topic. Even moreso, you need to quit twisting things and trying to put words into people's mouths. Just because you're down on life and dogs because you got had doesn't mean that the rest of the world is like that.

Just because everyone doesn't prove themselves to you, doesn't mean that they don't do testing and do the best that they can to screen out genetic diseases (but crap does happen even with the most stringent of screening programs) while maintaining proper drives, structure, and temperament.

Hope is the denial of reality.
-Margaret Weis

The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes.
Henry Kissinger

OK folks, ya'll can continue this line of discussion in private.
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