You're 100% right, my personal opinion doesn't invalidate the accuracy of her information - facts take care of that on their own.

LOL. You're killing me with your revisions of history.

"they are not the same as the AB hell just look at them and you can see the difference."

You really don't know much about "bulldogs" do you?

American Bulldogs have alot of pit bulldog blood in their lines do to the effort to save the breed from extinction...Hell even John D Johnson and Alan Scott crossed pit bulldog blood into their stock.

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Chris,

The AKC originally registered pit bulldogs. John Colby's dogs were amongst the first to be registered, and were in fact used as the standard. They were the ones who coined the APBT name, and were also the ones who closed their registries to APBT's after dogfighting was banned...The sought to distance themselves from registries like the ADBA who sought to perserve the fighting lines, by renaming existing dogs Am Staffs

Apologies. I did not mean to state the AKC coined the term American Pit Bull Terrier, nor did I intend to insinuate they were the first to register them...It was the UKC.


I meant to state that the AKC kept the original title of APBT's when they opened their registry to them, and again used APBT's as the standard for their AmStaffs.

Its late, Im sleepy, and I made a mistake.

here's a link before I say goodnight.

http://www.nyx.net/apbtfaqover.html


"Although the precise origin of the APBT is not known, we can reliably trace its roots back at least one hundred and fifty years or so(1) to England. During the late 18th and 19th centuries the sport of bull-baiting was very much alive and dogs were bred to excel in this endeavor. The same type of dog was also used by hunters to catch game and by butchers and farmers to bring down unruly cattle. These dogs were called "bulldogs". Historically the word "Bulldog" did not mean a specific breed of dog per se, but rather it was applied to descendants of the ancient Mastiff-type dogs that excelled in the task of bull-baiting. The "bulldogs" of yore were much different from, and should not be confused with, the loveable clowns of the show ring today. The old, performance-bred, working bulldog was closer in phenotype and spirit to the APBT and/or the American Bulldog. The use of the word "bulldog" persists even today among APBT fanciers."


Again highlighting the dual roles the pit bulldog assumed historically.

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http://www.nyx.net/apbtfaqover.html

Sorry. The link is:

http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqover.html

Well, when the FAQ for your link contains the phrase ( and I quote it here *exactly* ):
"Now, let's talk bulldawgs!"
you just know that you're in for a fine factual discourse.
*snicker*

The part they got right though was "Although the precise origin of the APBT is not known..."
Of course, then they add "Among enthusiasts, the history of the APBT is as controversial as the breed itself"
or
"In fact, this FAQ was hotly debated among the contributors before it reached its final form, and still everyone isn't 100% happy!"
or
"Some authors, notably Richard Stratton, have theorized that the APBT is essentially the same breed as the Renaissiance bull-baiting dogs, largely unmixed with any other kind of dog, specifically terriers."
or
"Other authors who have researched the topic, such as Dr. Carl Semencic, argue that the APBT is indeed the product of a cross between bull-baiting dogs and terriers and that the breed simply did not exist in its current form during the Renaissance."

Sounds like you can't get two "bulldawg" owners to agree about their origins. But if it helps you guys to sleep better at night with your little stories, hey, who am I to argue?

quote"It's much better to say, yes, I know their creative purpose, but they are far capable of more and have proved they can accomplish and be worthy of more than just pit life. Instead of finding ways to justify that the pit was not the purpose of their existance and foundation when it was. "

I couldn't agree more. I know there are a few dogs that did this or that. They were bred for dog fighting. I can ony hope that breeders do police themselves up. I am gratefull that the lines I deal with don't have the dog aggression. It could be the way I raised them.
Interesting reading.

I'm getting complaints from forum members regarding this thread.

The forum owner has made it clear multiple times that he does not approve of pit fighting ( not that any rational human would approve of that sh*t <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> )

So......for future reference, any topics regarding "gameness" are closed immediately. If you want to have those discussions, take them to the idiot forums where they discuss that garbage.
But not here.

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