I have owned, trained and bred dogs for 45 years. I
have trained protection dogs and police service dogs since 1974.
If you have come to this page you
have issues with aggressive dogs. In the mid 1990's I wrote this article
on "How to Break Up A Dog Fight Without Getting Hurt" which
you can read below. It has been reprinted (with my permission) in many
different languages.
My web site is over 10,000 pages and a good portion
of this site is dedicated to dominant dogs and aggressive dogs. I
have organized this page to not only include my article but also list
training DVD's that I have produced to help deal with aggressive dogs,
books on dog aggression and
links
to
the numerous
articles
I have written on the topic of aggressive dog
Breaking up a dog fight can go bad in a heart beat. This is serious business. So know you limitations and don't get into the middle of something you can't physically deal with.
This is a photo that was sent to me from a very nice lady who tried to break up a fight between her two dogs. It resulted in two surgeries and a long period of rehab.
Basic Dog Obedience - 4 hours
- Obedience training needs to be part of the solution to dog aggression.
With that said it's not the only solution. I tell people it's about
25% of the solution. The problem is if that 25% is not addressed you
will never solve your problem.
Electric Collar Training for the
Pet Owner 2 1/2 hours
- This DVD teaches pet owners who have never owned an electric collar
how to condition their dog to the collar, how to determine the working
level of stimulation to use on their dog (every dog is different) and
then there is a detailed step by step section on how to train a dog
with an electric collar.
Photo by Ed Frawley
Breaking Up A Dog Fight
Without Getting Hurt
By Ed Frawley
Before we start, I would like to say that I am always
looking for photos of dog bites that can be used to demonstrate to others
how dangerous breaking up a fight can be. I have included some photos
at the bottom of this page and on other dog bite pages in my web site. If
you have a photo - click here to email it:
This past week I had an incident at my kennel that
reminds me how important it is for everyone who works with dogs, or owns
dogs
to know how to break up a dogfight without getting hurt.
I will start with a warning. Unless you have a lot
of experience do not try and break up a dog fight by yourself. Never
step
in the middle of two loving pets and try and grab them by the collar
to stop a dog fight. If you try this, the chances of you being badly
bitten
are extremely high. People don't understand that 2 animals in the middle
of a fight are in survival drive. If they see you at all, they don't
look
at you as their loving owner. When you charge in and grab them they either
react out of a fight reflex and bite, or they see you as another aggressor.
When they are in fight or flight mode they will bite you. You can take
that to the bank.
Here is what happened at my kennel this week. The wife
of a friend came to the kennel with her daughter. She told my secretaries
that I had said it was OK to go into my whelping rooms to show her little
girl our puppies.
I had never told her this. Anyway, that does not matter.
When she left, she did not latch one of the kennel gates
properly (this was also an employee mistake for not checking the gate).
Later, one of my kennel staff let another bitch outside.
The first bitch jumped against her poorly latched kennel gate, and it
came
open. She ran outside and started a terrible dog fight. I had not
told
this young kennel person how to break up a dog fight in progress. He
ran in and tried to grab both dog collars. He was bitten very badly
in the
forearm and hand before I could get on scene and break up the dog fight
the correct way.
The safest way to break up a
dogfight requires 2 people. Each person grabs the back feet of one of
the dogs.
The dog back feet are then picked up like a wheelbarrow. With the legs
up, both dogs are then pulled apart.
Once the dog fight is broken up and the dogs pulled
apart it is critical that
the
people
do not release the dogs or the dog fight will begin again. The two
people need to start turning in a circle, or slowly swinging the dogs
in a circle while
they back away from the other dog. This stops the dog from curling and
coming back and biting the person holding their legs.
By circling the dog has to sidestep with its
front feet or it will fall on its chin. As long as you slowly continue
to back and circle, the dog cannot do any damage to you. To insure that
the fight will not begin all over again when you release the dogs, one
of the dogs needs to be dragged into an enclosure (i.e. a kennel, the
garage, another room) before the dog is released. If you do not do
this,
the dogs will often charge back and start fighting again or if you release
the dog to quickly the dog will turn and attack the person who had his
feet.
Dog fights are a very dangerous thing to try and break
up alone. You should never rush in and try and grab the dogs to pull
them
apart. They are in high "fight drive" and are not thinking
clearly when fighting. If someone grabs them they will bite without
even thinking
about who or what they are biting. This is how your loving pet can dog
bite the living crap out of you in about a second and a half.
In reality
it
probably doesn't even know it's biting you. I compare
it to a bar fight. If a person comes up behind 2 guys fighting and just
reaches
out and grabs the shoulder of one of the combatants most of the time
the fighter is going to turn and throw a punch without even looking
at who
or what he is hitting. This is because his adrenaline in pumping and
he is in "fight drive".
The worst case scenario is that you are alone when a
serious fight breaks out. There are a couple things that you must keep
in mind:
Keep your cool you have a
job to do.
Do not waste time screaming at the dogs. It hardly
ever works.
Your goal is still the same; you must break up the
fight without getting hurt.
Go get a leash (allow the fight to continue while
you do this).
Dogs are almost always locked onto one another.
Walk up and loop the leash around the back loin of the dog by either
threading the leash through the handle or use the clip. I prefer the
thread method.
Now slowly back away and drag the dog to a fence
or to an object that you can tie the leash to. By doing this, you effectively
create an anchor for one of the dogs.
Then walk around and grab the back legs of the second
dog and drag it away from the dog that is tied up. Remember to turn
and circle as they release.
Drag the dog into a dog pen or another room before
you release the back legs.
Go back and take the dog off the fence and put him
or her into a dog kennel.
Sit down and have a stiff drink (or two).
People talk about using cattle prods or shock collars
to break up 2 pets that fight. I can tell you that many times this is
not going to work. The electric cattle prod or electric collar will only
put the dogs into higher fight drive. When they are shocked they will
turn and bite the prod, or when they are shocked they will think the
other dog is causing the pain and they will fight harder. An electric collar
is best used in conditioning training, but not during an actual dogfight.
I had a friend tell me that using a stun gun works.
Not to actually shock the dog, but just to hold it in your hand and allow
it to snap. The sound of the electrical snap is supposed to cause the
dogs to stop fighting. I will muzzle 2 of my dogs and let them go at it
to see if this works. I will be surprised if it works on 2 really strong
dogs going after each other.
A point I would like to make is that if you see two
dogs out there squaring off through body posturing (i.e. one dog with
stiff legs and tail straight up in the air putting his head over the shoulders
of the other to show dominance) do not run out there screaming "NO
NO NO!!!!" Most of the time this is going to trigger the fight. A
lot of times dogs will posture and one will give in and back away. They
settle their dominance issue without a battle. I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER recommend
testing this situation. It's not worth the fight that erupts if you are
wrong. But I can tell you of a couple of situations at my kennel where
I went outside and 2 males were loose that I would have thought would
fight to the death. Obviously they determined that today is not the day
to argue. I also know that had I gone out screaming before they settled
it themselves there would have been a nasty fight.
Butch Crabtree got bit by his own dogs in his kitchen because
he did not do things correctly.
If you have 2 dogs that you are trying to get to live
together it’s best to make them wear muzzles all
the time. Try the Jafco muzzles I sell.
They are not expensive but very effective for this work.
With
muzzles on you can test your training and if the dogs become aggressive
you can safely step in and correct the dogs. It's important
to make sure the muzzles are properly fit and on securely. It's also
a good idea to have the dogs wear 18-inch draglines.
When one of the dogs even acts like it is going to
challenge the other dog you need to INSTANTLY get after that dog. Your
the pack leader and pack leaders are the ones who determine when to fight
or be aggressive.
If dogs continue to show aggression I will use a remote
collar in it's training. I did a training DVD that teaches REMOTE
COLLAR TRAINING FOR PET OWNERS With serious dog aggression a dog
needs to receive high level stimulation for even looking at another
dog. The key is for your timing to be for LOOKING and not for AGGRESSION.
Many times by the time a dog has elevated to the point of aggression
it will not react to a normal levels of stimulation.
People make mistakes with remote collars and dog aggression
by starting at a low level of stimulation and then waiting until the
dog is actually being aggressive to stimulate the dog. By that time the
dog is so keyed up it will fight through the correction. With many dogs
they learn how to take higher and higher levels of stimulation - where
as had the owner used the highest level at first they can often quickly
go to lower levels.
Remember that females usually fight with females and
males usually fight with males. It's seldom that a male and female will
fight. When a male fights with a female it usually a very dominant male
who is displaying his dominance over the female and she wants nothing
to do with it. I have had to gas one of my stud dogs twice when he got
into it with a female who did not want anything to do with him. This usually
is going to happen with a dominant male who is very self confident, and
thinks that he is the pack leader. You will also have males with strong
sex drive go after a bitch that is not receptive to them.
The bottom line on dog fights
is that unless you are trained it is best to never step into the middle
of them. In the worst
case, let them fight. It may resulted in death or severe injury to one
of the dogs, but it's not worth the damage it could cause to you if
you
make a mistake trying to end the fight.
A last word of warning. If your or someone you are with
gets bitten and has to go to the emergency room, the most common treatment
is to leave the dog bite wounds open so they can drain. They normally
should not be stitched. The only time most doctors will stitch up a dog
bite is if it's on the face. By closing the wound there is a much higher
chance of infection. If the doctor that you see wants to stitch normal
puncture wounds, ask for a second opinion. Because of my experience with
police dogs I knew better than to allow my hospitals physicians assistant
to stitch my employee. I voiced my concern but she insisted on stitching.
I should have asked for a doctor's opinion. The wounds got infected and
we had him back in the emergency room (at a different hospital) 2 days
later. They took the stitches out, inserted packing and put him on "IV's
" with antibiotics.
A final note to this article. I have received a great
many emails about dog fighting. Many were well meant with ideas of how
to use a hose and squirt water on the dog etc., etc., etc. While I appreciate
these thoughts, the methods are simply not going to work on the very
hard,
very tough, working dog.
I get a number of emails on dog fights.
This is more of a common problem than one would think. You can read some
of these below and there is a Q&A section on my web site about dog fights.
A Plan gone bad
Ed
A few months ago I made the very stupid mistake of trying to separate my 1 1/2 year old male American Bulldog mix from my 4 month female Siberian Husky. Something triggered him to attack her that day and he had no plans on letting her go. I decided that I had to get involved and get him away from her so I made the mistake of prying his mouth open with my hands and getting my Huskie out of his mouth. Well when I did that he turned and grabbed my right forearm, bit down & started to shake me. I have to say that he had no plans on letting me go either. I was fortunate enough that my oldest female American Bulldog (his grandmother) came and attacked him and thats the only reason he let me go. They continued to fight for about 5 long minutes while I called a rescue. I had 7 very deep puncture wounds to my right forearm. I also had a piece of his toothes lodged in my bone. I had to undergo 2 different surgeries and I an now currently undergoing physical therapy because he tore tendons and damaged nerves. I realized after this incident that I have to change the way I do everything with my dogs and that they had never seen me as their pack leader. I gave my dog away to a trainer the very next day after the accident but I know now that this was not his fault, I failed him as an owner and regret making the decision to give him away. I felt that I had to at the moment because I have a 9 year old girl who I could not risk getting hurt by this dog. I have been reading all your articles and working all my dogs daily since my accident. My goal now is to make sure this never happens again and that all my Dogs respect me and see me as their Pack leader. Thank you for all of the information you provide on your site educating on how to properly train dogs, it has helped me a great deal with my dogs.
Regards,
Betty
Ed's Comments :
Betty
Thank you for taking the time to write this and include the photos.
The pack structure is the first step – but a solid foundation in obedience based on motivation and corrections is also very important. Read the ebook on my web site about MY PHILOSOPHY OF DOG TRANING. My web site has a large number of FREE E-Books that I have written. Go to the main directory for E-Books.
While I always tell people to get my Basic Dog Obedience DVD. It is very important that people like you learn how to train with a remote collar. Remote collars provide off leash control and allows small people the ability to control strong powerful dogs. I did an excellent DVD on this REMOTE COLLAR TRAINING FOR THE PET OWNER.
So I give you credit for what you have been through and for your desire to learn how to prevent this from happening again. Now all you need to do is to get the right information and training.
Dear Ed - a year or so ago I found your web site about how to break up a dog fight. I have shared this information with many people, all of whom, like me, were ignorant of this information. A dear friend wrote this to me yesterday, and I wanted to share it with you. "Woody" is a gentle golden retriever.
Annamarie,
Thank you for telling me to pick up a dog's back legs if they are in a fight. A pit bull/rottweiler mix attacked Woody in the park today and I finally got the nerve to pick up the attacker's back legs. He stopped ripping Woody's ear off.
Woody is in Friendship Heights Animal Hospital for a day so they can put in a drain. He has a deep deep puncture wound above his ear . . . but you know all about these things.
Thanks again for sharing what you know.
Carol
And, Ed, thanks for sharing what YOU know!
Annamarie
An email from a man who tried
to break up a dog fight without knowing how to do it the right way:
How are you doing Ed? Been
awhile since I got up with you. I have some dumb pictures of me stopping
2 dogs fighting. Pit and Shepard pit mix both females.
Wish I would have
read your stuff about
the best way to break up a fight. But I reacted and did not think.
Almost got killed. Left upper inner part of the arm was bit to the muscle
any
further it would have hit the artery. Took 12 stitches. Normally they
would not have stitched them as you had said but the bites where deep
and torn so they opted to loose stitch to allow for drainage.
Have
to say special thanks to Womack Army Hospital. After I was used as
a chew
toy, I had to walk about 1/2 mile to the vehicle. By the way, these where
not my dog or dogs. My grandchildren where a few feet away when this
happened.
My dog Scooter was retrieving at Mott lake Bragg. Long story.
If
you want use these pictures to enforce Of Not What To Do! Do so.
Might save some grief for another person. Guess I fell on my head to
many
times as an old paratrooper. Guess you know us Airborne troopers
ain't wrapped to tight!
Just
kidding.
Give my best to Jeff I hear he is still a paratrooper at at
Ft Bragg. Just met a few troopers from his old unit.
This bite just missed an artery - it
could have killed him
If you think breaking up a dog fight is
not dangerous look at this - a photo of his armpit.
The best way to eliminate dog fights is
to never let them happen in the first place. This is accomplished by
controlling the environment you take your dog too and then train your
dog to mind under extreme distraction. If you cannot call your dog back
when it is walking or running towards another
dog then your dog is not fully trained.
Read the article I wrote on DOG
PARKS. If you are a new dog owner you need to learn why dog parks
are a terrible idea and why they are a very dangerous place to take
your dog.
One email deserves mention - a man recently
wrote this:
I write to tell you my "fun" method
of separation when the fight is at home. A CO2 fire extinguisher. They
are good to have around anyway. A combination of sound and the cold shot
alone would be enough to break up the fight but when you add the effects
of oxygen depravation, the results are "breathtaking." Give
it a shot.
A dog fight is never pleasant, but I will have to admit to some
small
sense
of satisfaction
in letting them have it. Totally harmless when it was tried on me. And
it worked every time on them. I bet you add it to your article when you
see the results !
Dog Fight Email:
Hi Ed,
First off, I am extremely glad I found you and your training methods. It
was by accident really. My 2 Portuguese Water Dog males had been
fighting -- one 8 years old, the other 1.5 years. Of course I
wanted to solve the fighting problem but what I wanted right now was
to be able to break up the dog fight without getting bit.
I Googled
'dogfights' and you popped up. BTW, the dog bite pictures on your
site are scarier than anything I'd seen before -- I hadn't really thought
about the reality of getting bit. Downloaded the "How to break
up a dogfight" audio and my wife broke up another fight the very next
morning while I was in the shower. She used your methods and didn't
get bit and stopped the fight.
So naturally I ordered a few DVDs:
Basic obedience and aggressive dogs. They are extremely thorough,
clear and extremely practical. In addition to everything else,
now I have a new and more educated appreciation for prongs and E collars.
Many thanks,
Matt
Man injured in pit bull fight
Kenneth Donaldson Sr. was taken by Life Flight medical helicopter to
MUO following the incident.
HUDSON — A Hudson man was treated at the Medical University of
Ohio in Toledo for a severe hand injury suffered when he tried to break
up a fight between his two pit bulls Monday morning. According to Hudson
Police Chief Charles Weir, Kenneth Donaldson Sr. was taken by Life Flight
medical helicopter to MUO following the incident, which was reported
shortly after 11 a.m. Monday.
Weir said Donaldson suffered severe injuries to his left hand, which
surgeons were able to repair. He has returned home.
The dogs were taken into custody and transported to the office of veterinarian
Matthew Taylor, where they were tested. The dogs will be euthanized and
their remains sent to Lansing for further testing.
Although this happened a few weeks ago,
I have only now been able to post this..
My 10-month-old GSD Chopper was brutally killed by a trained fighting
pit bull around 7:30pm on March 20, 2006.
We were out for our usual nightly stroll, Chopper was walking calmly
beside my 8-month-old son's stroller as trained to do so. My son, Shane,
and Chopper were the typical dynamic-duo. Shane crawled everywhere
Chopper went, and they would even crash together on the floor mid-day.
As we
were walking past some hedges of a neighbor's home about 1/4 mi from
my house, I heard the low rumble of a dog's growl. Instantly Chopper
was on the alert. Hackles and tail up, a large pit bull charged out
of the bushes, headed straight for the stroller. Chopper instantly
placed
himself between the pit and my son's stroller, and met the pit jaw-to-jaw.
Chopper, being only 70lbs, was pushed down by the 90lb+ pit. I instantly
knew I would have to act fast to save Chopper. I called my fiance,
then 911 about the fight that was now raging. I moved my son's stroller
out
of the way, then (unwisely) began kicking and hitting the pit to try
to knock him off of my dog. My fiance got there within a minute of
my call, and he instantly jumped into the fight. The pit turned his
attention
from Chopper long enough to grab my fiance's hand and crush 4 bones.
In that second, I started thinking clearly. I knew in my car I had
a gun, and I raced to the car, grabbed it, and put 2 rounds into
the pit's
skull.
I am a dog lover, and felt horrible, but my first thought was to
the safety of my family. I picked up Chopper's bleeding body, put
him into
my car, and raced him to the nearest emergency vet. My fiance stayed
with my son and the body of the pit until the police and fire rescue
came moments later.
By the time I got Chopper to the vet, my back seat was soaked with
his blood, his eyes were glazed and his coloring was pale. He sustained
numerous
bite wounds to the front legs (one was actually broken) but the
worst was his neck. It was just literally ripped wide open. I knew
he had
no chance, so they put him to sleep in the back of my car, head
on my lap,
where he was most happy.
After arranging the cremation of his body, I returned home. The
pit's body had been picked up by Animal Control, and they had
located the
owner through a microchip. The pit not only had the many wounds
and signs of
dog fighting, his bite record showed his aggression. He had seriously
wounded a small baby just a few days earlier, AND the owner
had just gotten out of jail for manslaughter.
Currently, I am filing every charge on the owner that I can.
With a great lawyer, and a great relationship with the local
PD, I hope
to
put the
owner where he needs to STAY. I have a new puppy (whom I
had already purchased before this attack) named Carbon Copy v.
Borus, and my
son has taken to him as he did to Chopper. All I have are
my pictures and
memories of Chopper. My son will only grow up hearing the
story, never actually remembering the dog that may have saved his
life.
Sasah
Here is an article that was
sent to me from one of our customers. It is an example about how serious
a dog fight can be and how quickly it can turn bad:
Dog shot after attack - CAPE COD TIMES
CATAUMET - Police shot and killed a dog after it bit a man and then
attacked a police
officer last night.
The police were called to Millennium Drive in Cataumet shortly after
9 p.m. because a 39-year-old man, the dog's owner, had been bitten. When
police arrived, the dog, an Akita - a Japanese breed originally used
for fighting - also attacked the police officer.
The man was reportedly trying to break up a fight between the Akita
and another dog.
The officer was not injured, according to the Bourne police. The man
was taken to Falmouth Hospital with a serious arm injury, according to
Bourne fire officials. The injury was so serious police originally called
it a possible amputation, according to fire officials. The police shot
the dog after it attacked the officer.
Thank you so much reading
my email. And thank you for all the great info on the Training cd’s
I have 4 of them with a lot of your toys and have learned so, so, so,
so much from you. I have had dogs for 12 years and I have 5 of my own
dogs now and I am the PACK LEADER only because of how you retrained
me. I find that continually watching your video’s is the only
way to learn. I watch different cd’s once a week for the last
year. With you and Cesar M, I have been able to train my high level
Jack Russell,
Beagle, and low level cocker and 2 mini dachshunds, so everyone can
all live, eat and play together.
The REAL question I have is … My 20 year
old daughter is marrying an Active Duty Air Force K9 Sgt. Ben adopted
his old drug dog, Melvyn,
who is 10 years old German Sheppard who quite working one day and Ben
took him in to his home or the AF was going to put him down. Melvyn is
a very high level dog and needs lots of exercise. He does listen to verbal
orders and hand signals I have used. Melvyn is never aggressive with
humans, but his aggressiveness to other dogs is extreme and I think could
be from not enough exercise or a mission. My Daughter has asked me to
help her work with the dog to get it to calm down and mind because she
likes the dog around for security while Ben is at work. She feels bad
if he has to be put down but they are expected there first baby in June
07. Ben does work with him a little, but doesn’t have time because
of his commitment to working with current work dog.
I know you have never met this dog, but
with your years of background of training Sch… can a military working dog that has been so active
and aggressively trained, can this dog be a house dog/family dog? If
I used your training course exercises, could this dog be retrained? Could
I get the dog calmed down with your weight vest, pronged collar, etc.
so that it could be around other calm dogs? Or will the aggression for
dogs never be fixed because of the years of training? The AF kind of
still owns the dog and he’s kind of on loan and Ben can keep him
for however long he wants to but once Ben doesn’t want him any
more they will have to put it down.
I really appreciate your time and suggestions in this situation. Would
it be worth my time? Is it possible?
Also thank you for your great web site
Sylvia, USAF Ret MSGT
Ed's Answer:
First I would like to thank you for your kind words.
I would rather provide you with some information
and then let you determine if your son’s wife and yourself can
save this dog.
If this were my dog I would be working with a
remote collar with this dog. I don’t know if you have this DVD
(I am not at the office to check records) but get REMOTE
COLLAR TRAINING FOR THE PET OWNER I use a 1900NCP collar
on my personal dog. If you are interested write me back and I will
tell
you
what model.
My gut feeling is that once you have learned to train
with a remote collar you will never go any other way.
I assume your son
has a dog crate for this dog.
If not he needs to get one. I hope you can work this out – I
have owned dog aggressive dogs all my life. I have had less than
a handful of fights because I
control their environment and train the dogs. You will never take the
fight out of them but you can control it.
Just wanted you to know that the suggestion to use a fire extinguisher
to break up fights works GREAT. We had two aggressive dogs begin a fight,
and my husband grabbed one dog and I the other, and we could NOT pull
them apart. So I sprayed them with the fire extinguisher (10 lb. size).
They turned loose of each other like magic and were not in the mood to
continue. A 5 lb. or 2 1/2 lb.size would also have worked, because it
did not take much. BE SURE TO USE the ABC kind of extinguisher -- the
guy assured me that it could be sprayed into a person's face (if their
hair were on fire) with no ill effects and it had no ill effects on my
dogs..
THANKS FOR THE INFO !!!! We now have three 10 lb. extinguishers on the
three levels of our house and one in each car. Who cares about fires,
anyway!!
The guy at the place where I bought them also told me that they are
legal to take into Canada & work great for personal protection
(as you may know, they do not allow pepper spray or mace in Canada).
J. H.
Ed's Comments on Fire Extinguishers and
Dog Fights
I am glad this worked for you. I must
be honest, two dog crates and training would be my advice. These dogs
should not be together. You run the risk of neutralizing the dogs
to the fire extinguisher if you use it too much
Ed
Dog Fight Email:
Hi my name is Melissa and I have a
pit bull mix (female) 3 years, 2 yr old male full pit bull, and a 1
yr old female full pit bull and now we have
a Rottweiler male who is about 2 years. My question is that the rott
is interested and excited to meet the other dogs however the 1 year old
female pit bull doesn't want anything to do with him and try's to bite him and
the Male pit bull doesn't like him. Is there anyway that these dogs are
going to get along or what should I do?
Thanks for your help,
Melissa
Answer:
You have a dog pack - this is not going
to work. Find homes for one or two of these dogs. If you don't you had
better be reading my article on how to break up
a dog fight. Odds are
you are going to get dog bit. Chalk it up to a learning experience.
Dog Fight Email:
OK I have read the thing about
breaking up dogfights and what do you do if you are in a situation
when you and lets say your Rott is out for a walk and a stray dog comes
and a fight begins and there is no one there to help you break up this
fight what do you do? When things are getting pretty nasty such as blood
shed and etc ...Please explain as this topic is not in the article for
“breaking up dog fights.”
Thank you,
Tameshia
Answer:
You carry a can of pepper spray. When the strange dog
comes in for the fight, you spray in the eyes and nose.
I just finished reading your article on breaking up
dogfights. I have a female friend that has two male dogs a Golden
Retriever and a Samoyed that recently got into a serious fight.
She mistakenly tried to break up the fight herself and went to the emergency
room for very serious hand and wrist gashes. These dogs love her very
much, too. I agree with your advice on breaking up fights and would never
try to break one up myself. I'm no wimp, but I know when I could get hurt!
My husband and I recently purchased a male German Shepherd puppy from
a local breeder and he is now nearly 4 months old. I have spent all day
every day with him since he came home and use your suggestions and techniques
with great results! He is a wonderful companion at such a young age and
is responding to me extremely well. One more thing... I was happy to see
you recommend carrying pepper spray when walking a dog in case of strays
approaching and/or attacking. I have been carrying pepper spray for just
such an occasion and have received some negative comments for it. The
way I see it? If you can't beat 'em, spray 'em. Thanks for some great
advice, and I love reading your articles.
Lisa
Lansing, MI
Dog Fight Email:
God bless you, Ed for a great article, and the only
practical one I’ve ever read, on breaking up a GSD (or any strong
dog) fight, especially about not getting in the middle. My right arm
looks
like the picture, with permanent nerve damage and tendon shortening from
getting in the middle of a fight with 2 of my own dogs. The dog that
grabbed
me had his head in a hold and when I broke that hold by prying open the
other dog's jaw, the caught dog whipped around and grabbed me, torque
savagely, realized immediately it was me and let me go, but the damage
was done. There is no pain like a dog bite, I've been frost-bit, birth
pains, broken bones, nothing compares. The second thing I was impressed
with was your honesty that once the dogs are involved, damage will
happen.
But you cannot panic, scream or add to the fight frenzy, or it will intensify.
Yes, pepper spray works, but in a dominant struggle between strong
dogs,
you absolutely have to get right in their face. I just recently used
it for the first time, as my 18 mo male decided to take on my least
dominant
adult male. Friends had said all they had to do was give a little spray
and their dogs immediately separated and laid down. This dog took 3
full
hits in the face before he finally lessened his hold on the other dog,
and I could get him to out. He immediately wanted to get back into
the
fray, but I had him at that point. So, yes, pepper spray helps if you
are by yourself, but don't count on it totally.
Thanks for the advice on the muzzles. Another point
to people, please watch where the end of your leash is.
Thanks again for the great article.
Rachel
Dog Fight Email:
Dear Ed,
Once I had the bad idea of going to a conformation show with 2 dogs that
have never been in fight, they live together without problem, one more
dominant than the other, and this last one is very "wolfie"
so she accept the alpha roll of the first bitch and everybody is happier...
Until the day I took them to the show using a "SIAMESE
CHAIN", that chain is manager with one leash, at the end it has
two small "daughters chains" that allow you to manage 2 dogs
with one leash... what a mistake!
Suddenly when they saw other dogs they got hyper, nervous
and start to fight between them.. the worst part is that since they
were
joined by a so small chain was impossible to separate them, the chain
was so tense that no human force would be able to separate them..
I was trying and trying to separate them.. no way,
until one of them won over the other, a small fraction of time in relax
and I was able to release the collars and chains...
Dogfights are something terrible. Never I will use one
of those chains, 2 dogs on one leash... big error!
Thank you for your article, very helpful.
Javier
Lima, Peru
Dog Fight Email:
I want to tell you that my dogs are very passive and
have never shown aggressive behavior - until this year. Keep in mind that
these animals are my family, not just pets. They are truly loved and treated
better than most of the kids in my neighborhood. They have a heated porch
accessible when they are outside, and air conditioning in the summer.
They are "in bed" by 10:00 pm and are extremely healthy, according
to my vet. That being said, their erratic, aggressive behavior started
just recently.
My dog fights started on October 7, 2001 when "out
of the blue" my youngest male mutt (Jaxson) and my male Brittany
Spaniel (Cocoa) got into an all-out brawl. Being that this was the
first
time that any of my dogs got into a fight, I thought I could easily break
it up. I tried yelling, the water hose, pulling on tails, everything
that
first came to my mind and all attempts failed. Finally, I thought that
if I grabbed the dog I was most familiar with - Cocoa, I could hold
him
high and run him into the house away from the other dog. I was able to
separate dogs, but I didn't expect Jaxson to return and jump so high
to
get to Cocoa. The result was that he clamped onto my right arm, ripping
the inside of my elbow to the bone. (see attached pictures).
I was relieved that Jaxson's canine teeth actually went
between a tendon and an artery thus preventing any serious damage to my
arm. (see CLOSEUP.JPG) The only residual effect was a scar to remind me
of the incident.
Two nights ago, Cocoa went a little too close to Archie
(my oldest dog - black lab, cocker spaniel mix) and Archie responded
with aggressiveness. They were clamped on each other so tight that I
didn't
know what to do. I ran and got the dog dish full of water and threw it
on the two heads. That didn't help. I grabbed Archie by the tail - he
didn't even notice. I then grabbed a blanket and threw it over the dogs'
heads - they still did not loosen their grips. When I pulled the blanket
off, one of the dogs turned and bit me on the leg - through my robe and
left a scratch (albeit painful). At this point, I ran upstairs and collapsed
on my bed because I was so tired and out of breath - to the point that
I thought I was having heart failure. After about a minute of laying
down, I went into the hallway to see Cocoa trying to get away - panting,
and
Archie going after him again. I threw Cocoa into the bedroom, shut the
door, and again laid down on the bed completely exhausted.
After about 10 minutes, I was recovered enough to go
and see the damage each dog did to each other. Remarkably, the damage
was very minor. Cocoa was limping because of two minor wounds to his leg,
and Archie only had a minor hematoma to his ear and a toe nail that was
bleeding small amounts of blood. For the next two days, they licked their
wounds, but showed no aggression towards each other.
Right now, they are sleeping next to each other on
my bed as if nothing ever happened. I truly believe that Cocoa isn't
the aggressor, rather the poor soul that is picked on by the other males.
I needed a solution to my problem and believe that your suggestion of
the "leash tied around the leg" of one of the dogs MAY work
if I can find a stationary object to attach it to - yes, it is only me
here when the dogs fight.
I want to tell you after much research on the Web,
I decided that I would like the stun guns available, just in case I
can't
succeed IF there is a next time. Many sites said that without permanently
injuring the animal, a stun gun can temporarily cause the dogs to collapse
allowing the owner to separate the dogs. In your web site, you typed:
I had a friend tell me that using a stun
gun works. Not to actually shock the dog, but just to hold it in your
hand and allow it to snap. The sound of the electrical snap is supposed
to cause the dogs to stop fighting. I will muzzle 2 of my dogs and let
them go at it to see if this works. I will be surprised if it works on
2 really strong dogs going after each other.<<<<<
My question: did you ever try using the stun gun near
your dogs? Was it effective? From research on the Web, I learned that
the stun gun will NOT kill the dogs (one site stunned two pigs and normal
blood pressure and heart rate returned quickly). I ordered two 65,000
volt stun guns - the weakest guns available and will use them as an absolute
last resort. I would be very interested in your follow-up to using the
stun guns.
Feel free to use my story and pictures if you wish,
to prevent others from trying to separate fights when they don't know
what they are doing.
Sincerely,
Tony
Dog Fight Email:
I am glad I found your site. I have three American Bull
dogs and today the female went right up to a 1 yr. old male and grabbed
on to its neck and started shaking. I have only seen and stopped two
prior dog fights by myself. This one was the worst. I didn't know any
of your techniques yet and so I tried to choke out one dog (which has
worked before) but to no avail. I then tried to get them into a doorway
where I pushed the door shut in between them. It was the only thing I
could think of. After reading your web site I know exactly what to do.
I really appreciate your advice. I guess I always figured it was my job
to break them up and I had to get in there or they would fight to the
death. I am so thankful I only got a small cut on my finger, especially
after seeing some of the pictures on the web site!
Myndi
Dog Fight Email:
Hi,
My son has a staffy cross, not sure what the
cross is, but she is mainly staffy to look at. He had two dogs, the dog
that was attached by the staffy was a border collie named Jess, she was
17 years old. Molly, the staffy, is 5 years old. They were alone in the
house together, when Molly attacked and so severely injured Jess that
she had to be put down. Molly must have thrown and shook her around.
The injuries that Jess received were horrific, to her throat, her lung
was punctured and the rib that would have covered her lung was missing.
The vet also suspected her pelvis was fractured, and it was at this point
that it was requested of the vet that he put Jess to sleep. She did not
deserve to die this way nor for that matter, any dog/child etc.
Jess had always been a quiet, gentle dog,
never showed any aggression to anyone.
My son asked me to try and find some information
on the internet relating to the above attack, and if you can to please
give an opinion at to whether, his son, who will be turning two in June
is in any danger from Molly. I know that perhaps you can`t give me a
direct answer at to whether Molly should be put down or not, but perhaps
with letters that you have received there may have been similar experiences.
Could Molly attack again now that she has been "blooded" so
to speak? It's just very hard to know what to do, putting Molly to sleep
won`t bring Jess back to life, but by the same token if Molly should
attack again, how does one forgive one`s self for giving her a second
chance?
And that is why I`m emailing you, as my son
, and myself included, just don`t know what is the best way to deal with
this situation. I hope to hear from you soon.
Regards,
Shirley
Answer:
I feel badly for you and this poor dog. Can
you imagine what the last minutes of life were like for this very old
dog? To end 17 years of life in this way is a terrible thought.
I will guarantee you that it is not a matter of “IF” this dog will
fight– it’s only a matter of time and "WHEN" it will
happen again.
Dogs like this need to be totally isolated from other dogs. They can never
come into contact with animals. This needs to be accomplished by keeping them
in secure dog kennels, secure dog crates and through the use of very solid
dog training that results in the dog being 100% under control even in the face
of the most sever distraction (i.e. another dog that is challenging it).
Read the article I have written titled DEALING WITH
THE DOMINANT DOG. You can find this article in the list of training
articles on my web site. I believe you will find the answers you need in
that article or in the Q&A section of my web site.
There are simple solutions to these problems. The question is if you are willing
to do the work necessary to make the changes that will fix the problems.
A dog like this needs to be trained with an electric collar. I use a DOGTRA
1900NCP.
If you would like to learn more about the principles of obedience training
a dog, read the description for my Basic Dog Obedience video.
You will probably find that you have not had a clear understanding of the steps
of training a dog must go through before it can be considered fully trained.
You can also read why I am not a fan of taking an untrained dog to obedience
classes. I think if you read the testimonials on that tape you will see that
my customers feel the same way.
I do realize most of this was probably my fault. But here
are my stories.
I work at a Board and Train kennel that usually houses 12-20 dogs at
a time.
I was working at the main branch, walking a Dalmatian that was good with some
of the other dogs, but tended to have an aggressive streak in him too.
We were walking down the long driveway <a german shepherd lives across the
street who I've always seen on a cable> as we were coming down, I heard
a snap and looked up. I saw a large german shepherd come barreling towards
us. My first thought was, "SHield the dog." So I pulled Jack around
to my back and the german shepherd didn't make a sound as he lunged towards
Jack.
I was lucky this time, my reflexes kicked in and I scruffed the German
shepherd, had Jack by the collar and was literally using my strength
to keep them apart
as I screamed for help. The owners of the german shepherd came out and pulled
the dog away. The next day, the dog was back on its tie out cable.
The next fight I witnessed was definitely my fault. Again, at the same
kennel. I had a pit bull mix female in the office that is adjacent to
the crate room. I was walking an old lab to his crate when I saw the pit
bull open the door. She made a beeline to the cats, but when she realized
they were up out of reach, she turned, saw the Lab and tore after him,
She tried to go for the throat but I kneed her off. She went for the
stomach and clamped on, shaking the lab until his skin split. I reached
right into the pile, grabbed the pit bull by the skin and hung her up
until she let go, threw her a few feet away, then I shoved the lab into
the open crate nearest to us. I put the pit bull into another crate and
then pulled the lab out to tend to his wounds. He had to have 3 drains
put in and his stomach was swollen and dripping pus for a week.
My third fight was between a Great Pyrnees and a very male golden retriever.
The golden was outside in the dog yard and I was at the gate with the Pyrenees.
I knew the golden was inside but I unlatched the gate and stepped inside
with the Pyrenees. Indy<the golden> came over and I didn't see a change
in behavior. Tank decided to sniff Indy and Indy just went after him. Again ...I
was all alone and Indy was into it and Tank was just trying to get away.
So I opened the latch, I urged Tank outside and when Indy, on Tank's back,
tried to follow, I grabbed Indy by the skin on his back, picked up his back
leg and when he went in for a re-bite, I tore him off and threw him across
the yard. Of course, as soon as I went outside, Tank was tearing across the
lawn into the street. Tank wasn't hurt, thankfully. I'm glad he just decided
to run away rather than fight back.
I realize I've been lucky so far in having to break up fights, and I
always bring pepper spray with me. But I hope there is never a time where
I have to reach between two dogs when both teeth are flying.
I loved your article and maybe that will help in the future. But I know
for new handlers, they tell me that they are so panicked, that they can't
think.
H. S.
Search and Rescue Handler, CA
Portland Man Attacked
By Own Dog:
05:56 PM PDT on Friday, September 16, 2005
By ANTONIA GIEDWOYN, kgw.com Staff
Animal control officers seize one of the two rottweilers.
A man was attacked by his own dog in southeast Portland on Friday afternoon
and had to be hospitalized, police said.
The man was mauled by one of his two rottweilers when he tried to separate
the fighting dogs in his backyard in the 11700 block of SE Washington
St. shortly after noon, said Sgt. Brian Schamutz.
The man's girlfriend and a neighbor hit the attack dog with a sledgehammer
and machete to stop the attack and then called 9-1-1.
Preliminary reports indicated the man lost a
lot of blood. He was transported to Oregon Health & Science University
Hospital, where he underwent surgery.
Medics said the victim suffered injuries to his arm, neck and shoulder.
His name was not immediately released by authorities.
Meantime, animal control officers seized the two
Dog Fight Email:
Thank you so much for the article on breaking up dog fights
and on dog parks.
I live in New York and have owned dogs for 10 years. I know that you
do not reach in between two dogs that are fighting. And I know the dog
runs are dangerous places. But living in New York City with an active
Miniature Poodle and sometimes means using it to run excess off excess
energy. Today, however, was different. My 13 pound poodle got attacked
by a full male Pit Bull. My dog, Bailey was in a tussle with another
dog over a ball, and the PB was all the way on the other side of the
run. We had all been there about 15 minutes with no problems.
But I guess the PB got triggered and ran over and attacked the hell out
of my dog. I could only stand and watch, knowing there was nothing I
could do.
The owner of the PB reached
in to pull his dog off and I got mine out from under the PB. Then the
man started
yelling at me for "turning
my back on my dog" and how "you should always reach in and
pull on the dogs tail". I told him, no, you cannot. Then I thanked
him for pulling his dog off of him, that my dog seemed okay. He kept
yelling and then pulled his arm from behind his back. His dog had shredded
it. Much worse than the pictures on your web site He was, I think, angrier
(and in a lot of pain) at himself than at me.
I took my dog to the vet. My dog did not go unscathed. I did not know
that PB have tiny teeth that do not tear, but leave small puncture wounds
that are hard to find. PB injuries are usually internal. My dog, when
they shaved him, had bites over his back, head and under his tail. He
has intense bruising in those areas too. The vet says the next 48 hours
are crucial in determining any internal damage- but I am deeply concerned
about the long term psychological scarring.
I have been beating myself
up saying "What
more could I have done?"
But, honestly, I was prepared in that moment, that my dog was dead. I
have seen PB fight before and I know there IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO. You
have given me back some hope that if I carry pepper spray I may have
a chance. However, prevention is the best cure, so no more dog runs
for me and Bailey.
Thanks for your information. And thanks for reading this.
Carolyn
Dog Fight Email:
Dear Sir,
One of our Great Dane bitches has become very aggressive toward our Irish Setter
bitch who has no nasty bone in her body. The setter has been very submissive
toward the dane. This over aggressive behavior of the dane is very new.
My husband's way to break up a fight is to stab at the offender with
a steak knife, which when I found out I became very upset with him.
I live in a wheel
chair and when the most recent fight started, I tried my stopping the fight
by getting my overly large wheel chair in the middle. It did slow
down the attack
somewhat, but then the dane managed to get around me and started attacking
the setter with more anger. I finally noticed a spray bottle of Lysol,
I sprayed
the dane with it and she finally backed off. It didn't last long because the
setter got into her head to retaliate. I had my cane in my hand and I was
able to block them off of each other. My husband was just coming
into the house and
saw what was going on, I yelled to him to grab the setter and put her outside
and then I would put the dane in the basement. When we brought the setter back
in, she was bleeding, limping, whining, panting and then collapsing on the
floor.
We are afraid that her leg was broken and her lungs
my have been involved. We took her to the vet, ha let us know that nothing
was broken but there were
plenty
of rips, tares and punctures. She put our setter on a heavy duty pain killer,
an antibiotic and a light tranquilizer. She also suggested that we find the
dane a new home or this behavior next time may kill our setter. My husband
said "In
a cold day in hell"
So here we are, fighting about the best thing to do with the dane,
to muzzle her or not, and to keep them separate them. I thought the
best thing to do is
to find a new home for the dane where she would be the only dog.
Please send me your thoughts asap!
Sincerely,
Deby
Ed's Answer on the Dog Fight Email:
Stabbing the dogs in a dog fight is over the top
as far as an acceptable methods to deal with the problem of dog fights.
It's crazy.
Get two dog crate and use them. Only allow one dog out at one time.
This is not rocket science.
When I talk to disabled people I ALWAYS RECOMMEND
training with a REMOTE COLLAR (electric collar) Here is a DVD I recently
finished that teaches people who to do this; E-COLLAR TRAINING FOR
THE PET OWNER
Hello ED,
My name is Raechel and I came upon this site today after trying to
break up yet another dog fight in the house. After reading all the information
on properly breaking up a dog fight I realize I did everything wrong. Which
would be why I have a nice size bite on my arm. My question is about the two
dogs. I recently got a 5 month old male black lab who for the most part in
very gentle besides the puppy energy. My roommate has a 2yr old female Border
Collie who is not fully trained. She is a very shy dog and will lay on her
back when you walk up to her. neither dog is aggressive by themselves and are
fine together everyday. However this is the second fight in a week. The female
Border Collie starts it. I was reading through the scenarios on why dogs fight
and it said it wasn't common for a male and female to fight much less for the
female to start it. The lab is still a puppy (a 35lb puppy) and, after seeing
these two fights and pulling her off of him, is not very good at defending
himself. I saw that muzzles were recommended for introducing a new dog into
the home. Is this always a good idea? Are there any cons to using them? How
often should they be used?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Raechel
A picture of Rachel's arm bite that
she got trying to break up her dog fight
That's a quarter on her arm so you
see how big this bite was
My two dogs were almost attacked by a stray dog this morning.
What should I do?
I was walking my 2 terriers this morning when a brown lab mix began
to follow me. My terriers became excited and as the dog moved closer
(I kept walking) I realized the stray was circling us. After only a hundred
feet or so, I turned around and decided to head back toward home. The
stray followed. The intensity was rising and I knew I was in a potentially
dangerous situation.
My doorway is an alcove and before I knew it I realized my small dogs
and I were cornered. The stray began to growl and show his teeth - my
dogs responded to that and I couldn't get in my house as the dog kept
moving in front of the door. My hands were full with the 2 separate plastic
retractable leads (that are in the trash can now). My neighbor heard
the commotion - and by now there was a lot of it -and ran out to help.
She called to the stray who ran to her immediately and I unlocked my
door and ran inside with my dogs. Animal control was called.
Now this dog was very passive to my neighbor - followed her commands
and sat on her lawn waiting for Animal Control.
What did I do wrong? What can I do to protect myself
in the future. I was very frightened by this - and I'm sure the dog picked
up on this
fear. Am I over the top in thinking I should have some form of mace or
pepper spray in my pocket? I would appreciate your help and suggestions.
Barbara
Ed's Answer:
Well your dogs are not trained. You should have
been able to put both dogs in a down stay while you stepped in front
of them
to protect them. You should have screamed at the dogs to GO HOME. You
should
carry pepper sprays and use it on any dog that comes near your dogs – even
if the other dog is with an owner who cannot control his dog.
You are supposed to be the pack leader – pack
leaders protect lower ranking pack members. Your dogs EXPECT this. If
you don’t do it
then one of them has to. When that happens you lose any respect they
had for you. They can love you and not respect you.
You are very lucky – you could have had
a dead dog.
Regards,
Ed
Dog Fight Email:
Mr. Frawley,
First of all, thank you for your helpful information that you offer
up for us! A little history, we have owned a female/spayed English
Bulldog for 6 years.
We fell hard for this breed and last year decided to add a male English Bulldog
puppy. We got him at 12 weeks and did get him neutered when the age was right
for it. Tootsie, our female, seemed to enjoy his company and all has been
well aside from slight jealousy at times on her part. Tyson, is now
1 year old and
is her size. The past month has been hellish to say the least! He is definitely
testing her for the leadership role, and she isn't budging to give it up.
We are not encountering daily fights that have led to open wounds
with lots of
blood! These fights are generally triggered by toys. They are crate trained
and have been side by side, and I have separated the crates across the room
from each other. I have brought up every toy in the house, which seems unfair
to our female as she is accustomed to playing with her toys/bones when she
feels like it, but is necessary. In the past, if Tyson finds a toy, he will
immediately take it into his crate and "guard" it for hours, with
his ears back. He will even growl at us if we come near his crate if he has
something in it. He has tried to bite at us if we remove something such as
his empty food dish from his crate when he is finished eating. During the
fights, he gets so pumped up, that after carefully breaking them apart by
pulling on
their collars, he is still for approx. 10 minutes trying to lunge back after
her, ready to go after her again and again. She seems to get over it quickly.
They do not sleep on our bed, or in our bedrooms. As far as training, we
have failed drastically in this area. I feel we are completely to blame for
his
actions. At this point, my husband is ready to find him a home where he can
be an only dog. I talked to a dog trainer that gave me a small chance of
this problem being solved, and yet another that told me that if I can teach
the
dogs to recognize that my husband and I are the pack leaders, not either
of them, then maybe we stand a chance. What is your opinion on this? I love
my
little guy, but I know he isn't happy and he looks at me with this helpless
look like he doesn't know how to stop what he is doing!
Thanks so much in advance for your time and advice, it's appreciated greatly!
Lisa
Ed's Answer on Dog Fights:
This comes down to an owner education issue. You need
to change the way you live with these dogs. I have owned more aggressive
dogs than I can remember. We would NEVER allow them to be together like
this. We would also address pack structure and obedience training. Check
out these videos for more information:
I wanted to thank you for publishing the advice for breaking up a dogfight
when one is alone. Today my two male Rottweilers from serious working
lines got into a fight when my husband was at work & I was alone.
I am experienced in separating dogs by the hind legs but it never dawned
on me to tie one of them. I basically tried every useless thing while
these dogs fought to exhaustion and were finally tired enough to hear
me say "Aus". I could have saved a lot of trauma had I read
your article first.
Thank you so much for giving us this free information. If it ever happens
again, I'll be ready.
Lesli
Brego Rottweilers
Question:
Hi Ed
I have 2 Neapolitan Mastiffs, (pictures below) And a Dalmatian, with a few other dogs. But these 3 dogs always get in a fight, and I read what you said on how to stop a dog fight, and that will not work here, if i had to lift up the dogs legs (Neapolitan) it will not let go but tighten its grip and pull the dog with it. Now Major the 1 Neapolitan had attacked one of our dogs over the new year and left it with fatal injures, (we where away at the time) this was because the bitch was in season. But now the Dalmatian (Pongo) is always causing with Major. They have been in a few fights before 1 witch was very serious. Today Winnie ( The other Neapolitan) attacked Pongo and then Major joined in, I got Winnie off very quickly, all i did was just throw her off. Major was not so easy, he had locked his jaws into Pongo's neck, (In previous fights the 2 Neapolitans would never bite me, even if i stuck my hand as i did once before and that stoped the fight instantly. The moment the one bit me she stopped. But now that they are bigger and older i don't want to risk it.) The only way i can stop Major is by taking my arms and tighten around his neck, after a while he will stop, but it is still not quick enough. Is there any other way you know of that i can do to stop the fight instantly? That will not take time, 3minutes into a fight with these two dogs on one other dog, the injures will be fatal. As i said the wheelbarrow technique will not work in this case.
I got to the fight quickly, the wound on Pongo isn't to bad but that is what happens in a minute. With 1 dog.
Mike
Ed's Reply
You know this is stupid. You are clueless on pack structure and rank.
What part of common sense do you miss? The first time this happens is an accident, the second time it happens "SHAME ON YOU" - the third time it happens - "your an fool and it's animal abuse."
Would it not make sense to either re-home some of these dogs or build kennels so they could all be separate and then only let one out at a time?
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