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I try and answer every question I receive on dog training. I may often come across as a little on the blunt side, (some may call it brash). That is because I consider myself an advocate for dogs and not dog handlers. I am an advocate for common sense dog training and not the latest fad that appears on the horizon. Good dog training is not rocket science. It's common sense.
I do not have someone I trust to read my dog properly when I first start tracking him. Can I not start him tracking a stranger with me handling the dog? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: The first tracks in tracking through drive are straight leg tracks that are 500 to 600 yards long. There is little to no handling involved. If you set the track up properly you will be in a position where you can watch the entire track and see any problems as they develop. The fact is that is a dog learns at a young age what the word track means (which is put you nose to the ground and look for something) it may not be necessary to start on handler tracks. The RCMP buys adult selection tested police dogs - they do not do any puppy training so they do not have the advantage of this. If you are forced into a limited period of time to finish a service tracking dog and you do not have the luxury of taking your time to train, you will need to start on handler tracks. Few dogs have the tracking drive to follow strangers tracks from day one.
Is it necessary to always give a bite at the end of every track in Tracking Through Drive (TTD)? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: This is something that is really misunderstood about TTD. Its not necessary to always give a bite at the end of every the track. The fact is that most of the RCMP tracks that have bites at the end are "prey bites" that involve little to no defense or stress. The concept is to put PEOPLE at the end of the track. I have used my kids and my kids friends. I will give them a ball or a hot dog or something that the dog really likes. The idea is to build drive and let him know there is always a PERSON out there to find. If there was serious protection work at the end of every track there would be a concern of making a dog a little too aggressive for S&R work. An exception to this rule is the specialty dogs that are used in HARD SURFACE TRACKING (in Holland and other European Countries) are dogs that have a superior genetic ability to track do not need people at the end of every track. These dogs have so much drive to track they will do it for toys.
Ed, I have a 5 mo. old GSD female named Dixie. I have had her for about a month now. Dixie is already about the size of our 2 yr old GSD Sandy. When we got Dixie, we put her in with the other GSD and rott. They get along great. Question is, I am wanting to train Dixie in SAR work like our other GSD, and Dixie is not wanting to pay attention to me. My husband does not want Dixie in house, so how can I bond with her without having her in the house? Our jobs also hinder the idea of having pooches in the house. I spend as much time with her as possible, but it doesn't seem like it is working. I am considering getting a personal obedience trainer to help Dixie and I. Dixie has an excellent play drive, which is one reason why we chose her for SAR work. When I work with Dixie, I walk her away from kennel and other dogs to eliminate distractions. This still doesn't seem to work. I'm running out of ideas, please help. Tiffany ANSWER TO S & R TRACKING QUESTION: My obvious question would be why do you need another dog? It would seem like you have enough irons in the fire for your current life style. You need to change the way this dog is housed. If it can not be in the house, it needs to be kept in a separate pen and not allowed to have social contact with the other dogs when you are not there. This dog looks to the other dogs (not you) and her buddies. This needs to stop and the only way to do it is through separate pens. If this is not possible then get a dog crate and crate the dog when you are at work. For an adult dog this should not be a problem. Just do not feed her before you leave and then stick her in the crate. There is a small possibility that your dog can not smell properly. This can be easily checks by you and your husband taking the dog to a new place in the country. You go out and hide in a field (where the dog can not see you). Make sure the wind is blowing from you into the dogs nose (you are up wind of the dog). When your husband gets the dog out and walks it towards you, we will see the dog get into your odor cone. On a day with a slight breeze, this will be some distance from you (it can be as much as several hundred yards down to 50 yards). If the dog has a nose problem its not going to react to your odor cone. If you separate the dog into its own private pen, then you need to obedience train the dog. This is going to improve the bond and teach the dog to work for you. My personal feeling is that you would be better off with my Basic Dog Obedience video than a personal trainer. Take the dog as far as you can yourself and then if there are still problems seek help. But at this stage a personal trainer is putting the cart before the horse.
I am not a police officer. Our local department asked me to track an arson suspect last week. I did not do it because my dog does not have experience on night tracks. What would you recommend? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON POLICE TRACKING: I do not agree with a civilian volunteering to track felony suspect. It's a bad policy for departments to ask people like you to come out and do this work. It's a dangerous thing to get involved with. If people want to get involved at this level they should get into police work, go through the police academy, get state certified and learn how to do the work. Now, to answer your question. If you have 50 or 60 tracks into your dog you can start a few night tracks. Humans make much more of this than dogs do. Tracking at night is not a big deal for them. While I have never read any research on a dogs night vision, I believe they have much better eyes than we do at night. I have used $6,000.00 military night vision goggles to track suspects with my police dog. I have been out a number of times when it's clouding and zero light. It's so dark that you could not see someone that is 5 or 10 feet from you in the woods. The dogs can run around and they never run into a tree. So my point is that if you are doing unknown tracks with confidence, then you are ready to throw in a few night tracks. I think the issue here is that if you do decide to do this work, as a civilian, you need to make sure that the officers that come with you on a track are very physically fit. Most cops are not in good enough shape to keep up to a K9 handler running a dog. People underestimate how much a dog pulling a handler down a track helps the handler run. It's like being attached to a sled dog, they pull you along. The back up officers do not have this advantage and usually can not keep up. If you run away from your protection (backup), things can go bad real quick if you run up on a desperate armed suspect. Especially when you do not have a dog that will protect you and you do not have the training and equipment to handle the situation. Stick with your S&R work for lost people. That's where you services are best used. If you need additional advise on this - read the following email I got from one of my puppy customers (Doug Hunter) who is a Deputy Sheriff : Last spring I had what I call a "wake up track." A highway patrol trooper was arresting a DUI driver and the guy ran from the trooper on foot. I was called to track the guy and did so. We tracked at night in the rain for about 3/4 mile in a semi residential area. I tracked right up to an old barn with a craw space under it. The guy was hiding under the barn. During the track my back up officers had fell behind (the dog pulling me helps) so I was alone when I found the guy. At the time my mind set was "this guys is just a drunk who wants to get away" I gave my commands to the guy to come out from under the barn--then BANG! The guy had taken a pistol out and shot himself in the head. It turned out that he was driving someone else's car and had given the trooper a phony name. There were two B&E warrants for the guy I was chasing. So it turned out that the drunk who was just avoiding a DUI arrest was actually an armed felon who could have chosen to shoot it out with me or other officers who were involved. Exactly why he decided to kill himself I have no idea. I do not think some people know how close you can be to a suspect and the dog not know he is there. In this case the dog let me know where the guy was but I have had case's (like you) with guys in trees or just hiding in a spot were the wind is not in the dogs favor and your right on top of them before you know it. While the night time tracking of suspects is exciting & rewarding--it is also very dangerous. You never know what is on the end of the track. Doug Hunter Here is a second email I received concerning this issue of civilians doing felony tracks for police departments: Ed, I read your response to the S&R handler whose local Police Dept. wanted him to run a track for them on a felon. That to me seems very questionable at best. I will relate something along the lines of Deputy Hunter's story. Last May I had a track of a party who was driving through yards in a new subdivision in our city. While doing this a neighbor called and an off duty officer just coming home from a part time job (We have take home cars) was basically on top of the call and got into a short pursuit with the vehicle. The driver and passenger drove into a construction sight and got stuck in the mud. Upon getting stuck the 2 suspects bailed from the vehicle and ran. The off duty officer pursued the driver but lost him in a wood line between the subdivision he was in and a more established (built up) subdivision. Once loosing the suspect he stopped and called for a K9 as it was determined the car was stolen. At the time I was approximately 15 miles away on the opposite side of the city. I was able to jump onto the 4 lane limited access highway and make it their in approximatly 12 minutes. A good perimeter and been set up by our patrol officers and the dog tracked the suspect into the older adjoining subdivision and indicated that the suspect had jumped a privacy fence and by his indication I felt he was in this yard. Myself and the original pursuing officer. (He went as my back up.) went to the yard and gave a verbal warning. We received no response so I cut the dog off leash (Still in his harness) and let him do an area search of the yard. Within 30 seconds he indicated on a shed. I called the dog from the shed and gave a verbal warning for anyone in the shed to come out. I got no response. I along with the dog approached the only doors to the shed, which were opposite opening doors that came together in the middle. As I slowly opened the door the suspect was just inside the door and slammed the other door into me and knocked me off balance. A struggle then ensued for my gun. Fortunately I was able to keep it down as it was fired. It struck the dog who at this point had engaged the suspect. Fortunately the dog kept in the fight and he and I along with the back up were able to subdue the suspect. One other fortunate aspect is that the bullet struck the dog at a downward angle in the harness causing him only a minor wound. He was able to come back to work in 13 days. My point in telling this story is not to tell a war story, but just to reiterate your point that you NEVER know what is going to happen. Fortunately for me I had a dog that stayed in the fight despite being shot. Also you can't always control the situation. As a Police Officer there are certain risks that have to be taken. You try to minimize them through training and tactics, but there is an element of risk there. The other point is if the unfortunate happened my family would receive Federal, state and pension money if I were killed. As a civilian in an S&R club I am not sure what benefits there would be. My last point on this is that most times that a Police K9 is used it is for a suspect who is desperate to get away. If they weren't they would have surrendered in the 1st place. Ed, these are just some thoughts of mine that I wanted to convey as I think you were right on the money with that advice. Thanks, Steve Noonan So with all of this said, I would strongly suggest S&R people who are considering doing police tracks think long and hard before they jump into the woods without proper training. Things can go from fun and exciting to drop dead dangerous and dirty in about 2 seconds. Regards,
I have a dog that has no interest in tracking. What can I do to train him? Even when he is not fed and we use hot dogs and food it is put in plain sight but he does not leave the pad. What can be done to get him started? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: Dogs are going to track for food or for the love or drive of following scent. Obviously food is "out" with this dog. You can check his scenting ability with handler tracks - where a stranger holds the dog and you run off in the woods. From the sound of your e-mail, this is not going to make much of a difference with this dog. To be brutally honest, my advise is to sell the dog or just keep it as a pet. If the dog has no drive to track why try and train it to track. It’s going to be a hassle from day one. You can't make a working dog out of something that does not want to work. Sometimes we need to be honest with ourselves about the abilities of our dogs. We Americans have a problem with this. I like the Dutch KNPV approach. If a dog will not work - he is out the door and a new one is there to take his place.
Is the video you did on Competition Tracking filmed in America? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING VIDEO: The video footage in this tape was filmed throughout the United States and in Europe over a 3 year period of time. I went to several tracking seminars and filmed them. I went to Europe and trained with friends and filmed their dogs during training and I set up certain training sessions here at my kennel in Wisconsin to show how to do things that I did not have video footage of from my travels. Who is the instructor on the video Training a Competition Tracking Dog? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING VIDEO: I (Ed Frawley) am the person that filmed this video, wrote the outline and script for the video and then narrated it. When I produced this tape I had been involved with Schutzhund for almost 16 years. The ideas and concepts in the video are a combination of ideas I learned from many many people in Germany and the States over the years. No one invents the wheel in dog training. Professional trainers are like sponges. They absorb information from many different people and then use it according to their style. The ideas I put in this tape are all solid training concepts. Is this video much different than the Dildei tracking video? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING VIDEO: The Godfrie Dildhei tape on tracking is quite different than this video. The difference is that Dildhie does the majority of his tracking in plowed fields. These are very common in Germany. He uses a great deal of food (in almost every footstep). The video I produced deals with tracking in different types of fields. In fact I show you how to rate a field according to the level of training of your dog. In other words the terrain, ground cover and wind conditions will dictate if a field is considered a beginners, intermediate or advanced training field. In addition I show how to train a dog in a grass field. Not everyone has access to plowed fields all the time. I don't believe that a tracking dog needs to use as much food in training as is used in the Dildhie tape. It's OK during the initial stages of the work but the dog should be tested and when you see that he is skipping over a large number of food drops then it’s time to start to eliminate food. How do you eliminate food used in training a competition tracking dog? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: New trainers often think that it is very important to eliminate food on tracking. While this is important for obedience training it is less import in tracking. Many top trainers will never eliminate food from the dogs track until the day of the track. Others will use food throughout the life of the dog at different stages of training or on different parts of the dogs track. Some trainer will only feed their dogs at the end of the track. The dog learns, "this is where I eat my food on the days that I must track." This does not have to be an everyday thing, just on the days that the dog goes out for tracking training. If you are lucky enough to have a dog who is easily motivated by food you should use food as a training tool as long as possible. Initially the food will be eliminated on the straight legs of the track (once they are doing a good job here). Food will always be used after corners on the tracks, after articles and after cover changes (all depending on wind conditions). A great many dogs (after a year of age) are not that motivated by food. This is something else that needs to be addressed in training. What is a trainer to do when his only style of training is a food drop in every foot step and the dog doesn't like food that much? I have addressed this question above. You can find the answer to this question on the list. My dog is not a great food hound. What kind of food do you recommend using on the track for sport when he only shows marginal drive to track? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: This is not an uncommon problem. Use canned cat food. Dogs seem to like these small cans of cat food. They are easy to carry around and can be placed at the end of the track. They work especially well in the dryer climates where there are real problems with ants and bugs getting on the food that's left while the track ages. The can be set down at the end and not opened until the dog gets to the end of the track. If a dog does not show a lot of interest in tracking or needs to be coaxed down the track. Then stop the track. Call the dog to heel, and heel him to the end of the track. Sit the dog a few feet from the cat food - go over pick it up and put it away. Then take the dog back to the house and put him in the kennel all day. No more work and no more food for the day. let him think about this. Do not feed him the next day, take him out and put the cat food (or his normal bowl of food) at the end of the track. The dog will track when he is good and hungry. If he does not track that day, put him up again with no food. These dogs will remember this for the rest of their lives. This is a way of motivating the dog to track without using FORCE. I am not talking about a dog that gets lost on the track and has difficulties. I am talking about a dog who does not want to put his nose down and hunt for the track.
Mr. Frawley, I wanted the opportunity to express to you how impressed I was when I viewed your video regarding tracking, RCMP style. First, I should introduce myself, my name is Don McLeod and I am a member of the canadian Military Police. At present I'm training a malinois/shepherd cross in tracking and drug detection with a local police detachment who possess a malinois and shepherd. Your video was very informative and I have gained a large amount of my knowledge from your video. I would like to ask you a question in regards to two items. First, the dog that I'm working has a tendency to fly on the track, in other words, if I had wings, I would look like a glider on ascent, whoom... There is no problem with his tracking, he holds well to the ground, over shoots his corners, circles well, gets the scent and whoom... should I start using slow and easy commands to slow him down?? Also, the weather here in Shilo Manitoba is snow covered ground, and the dog is still working level one field tracks. Should I continue field tracks in the snow, or move to a different type of location?? Anyhow, thanks in advance and keep up the excellent production of videos Don McLeod ANSWER TO QUESTION ON POLICE TRACKING: It sounds as if you have a very nice dog. When you see dogs that are tracking fast like yours there are a couple of things you can do to slow it down other than trying to enforce a command and do it through force. The concept is simple, just make the track a little more difficult but ageing the track longer and putting more corners in the track. This is going to naturally slow the dog because the track will be more difficult. That way you don't have to manually slow the dog. In regard to tracking in snow, one of the RCMP instructors told me that he likes winter because he can take his level one dogs and move them on to ice tracks. This is where a track is laid on ice and aged for up to 10 minutes (initially the track is not aged at all). He claims that all of the dogs can learn this and it then makes hard surface tracking that much easier in the summer. Tracking on ice is one place where the reward can be a ball or a toy. It can be difficult to hide a man out on a lake. Hope this helps, ED FRAWLEY When can I start my puppy on tracking? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: Pups can start at 8 weeks in tracking but the tracks need to be done with food and there cannot be any force or correction. In addition, you cannot do any articles on the track until the dog is about 1 year old. The articles cannot be started until the dog is 110% solid in the DOWN. This means that it is doing random downs and never has to be corrected for not doing them. When a young adult can do that he can be started on the serious tracking for sport work (Schutzhund). When that time comes it is a good idea to track the dog every day until it is finished.
A friend of mine (Gary Murray) is a retired RCMP dog handler. He travels the country and gives police (and S&R) seminars on tracking. He recently contacted me about an idea he just heard from a student during one of his seminars. One of the biggest problems that new handlers have is praising their dogs at the proper time during a track. This situation can be helped by conditioning the dog to a clicker. The dog learns during normal obedience training that the sound of the clicker means "Good Dog". Then during tracking the instructor (who always runs with the dog team) uses the clicker to signal praise at the appropriate time during the running of a track. We all know that timing is everything during dog training. This includes the timing for praise. By the instructor using a clicker the dog is praised at the right time and it does not know that the praise is not coming from the handler. In addition the handler can hear and see when the instructor is praising his dog. Some models of the Tri Tronics electric collars have a "Good Dog" button. The clicker is a better idea because the dog handler can never know when the instructor is praising the dog with a collar where as the handler can hear the clicker. I am not a fan of the clicker for any other part of dog training. I think it is a fad that will disappear in a few years. From what I understand of its use in obedience training, it is a crutch. If handlers would learn the basics of proper dog training they would not need these kinds of toys, but in this one instance it works great.
I have just finished viewing your video tape police tracking level 1. It definitely left me enlightened. Now I will try to apply it. I am a fairly new handler April 94 and have much to learn about k-9 tracking. My dog is Keri a 2and half year old Czech Shepherd who came to me green from Global k-9 in NY He is in my humble opinion an excellent drug and protection dog but lacks in the tracking department and to not fault of his I might add. I see that in your tape. I don't know if you answer questions on the E-mail but I’ll ask. How far back do I go in his tracking now that he has been on the road for some time. How do I evaluate where we are in your tape. Signed k-9kid looking for answers ANSWER TO QUESTION ON POLICE TRACKING: The answer to this question is going to take a little experimenting. My feeling is that you need to go out and run some 15 minute old 1000 yard unknown tracks. If the dog can run these, or if you are adept enough to read him as he tracks and you find the track layer on "ALL" of the tracks then you are good to go at lengthening the distance first and then the time. You are going to have to build the dog (and your) endurance). The only way that is possible is to run tracks. If you have a problem on these short unknown tracks, then you need to go back and start to dog known tracks. When satisfied with the known track, then have 2 people lay an unknown track, then have one of them stay at the end and the second one runs the track with you to help you when you screw up. The biggest thing with this system is to learn to read your dog. This is not learned on known tracks it is almost exclusively learned on unknown tracks. That’s where the confidence comes from. I tell the guys I train with that if they can't consistently find me when I drive out in the country and leave my car on a county road and run a mile, then they have no business accepting call outs on tracking. You will find that the answer to your question is mostly common sense when you start to test the dog and look at the training steps that I have laid out in the video on Level One Country Tracking. You also must be prepared for the fact that your dog may not be able to do this. If he has been forced tracked in Europe this can be a problem. Also if you have done too much area search and building search work with the dog he has learned to locate people with his head held high. It is very difficult to get these dogs to learn to put their noses back down on the ground after they learn to area search, but if they learn to track first then That’s what they always resort back to. Good luck, it is a lot of fun.
Dear Ed, Does the Level 2 and 3 video teach the method of getting the dog to circle at the end of a dead track and then backtrack to locate the turn? I was impressed with the dogs on the Level 1 video. My dog gets to the end of a track or a turn, and may overshoot it but then I have to more or less bring him back a way and slow him down to catch the turn. Sometimes he catches it on his own. Is there a method that I can use to teach him? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: You need to watch the Level 1 video a few more times and take notes. This circling is sometimes done naturally by the dog but most often it is leash handling by the handler. The dog needs to give a negative by the length of a leash past a turn or a dead end. This is accomplished in training on KNOWN tracks. If the dog does not give a good negative, the handler will never know he is past a corner or a dead end. This training for clear negatives has to be done before you move to unknown tracks. A firm (not mad or over powering) voice command of PHOOIE (never a leash correction) is given when he goes further than the leash length past a corner. If this is repeated enough on known tracks the dog will learn that even though it can smell a track that is wind born past a corner, it must stop and relocate the corner or work his way back on a dead end. The Level 2 and 3 tape teaches a lot of tactics in handling a dog and dealing with the distractions of the city. There is a lot to learn in this second tape - maybe more than in the first. Best Regards, Ed, My dog has worked for some time on the street. I bought your Level One tape and the last two days I had someone lay short known tracks. I just wanted to view the dog after having the knowledge of your tape already in my head. I believe my dog is trying to do the right things and I wasn't paying attention. I am going to try a few short unknown tracks (as you suggested) to see how much work I need to do to bring him up to speed on Level One. P.S. Would you suggest the level two tape anytime soon, since I will come in contact with a lot of streets, cars, sidewalks etc. in my normal police tracks? John Lippincott ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: John, At this time the only reason to get the level 2 tape is for yourself and the tactics you will need to know on how to solve city tracking problems. If your dog can not consistently find a 45 minute old unknown county track he is not going to track well in the city. You will then be way ahead of your dogs ability. City officers always make the mistake of thinking like this. "All of my tracks are in the city so that's where I have to train." The difficulty with city tracking is distractions (other dogs, cats, garbage and normal citizens cross tracks). Tracking in the country is sterile tracking. Its in the country that a dog really learns how to track. In the city he learns to deal with distraction. So if a dog has problems in the country there is no way he can do city tracking. What the level 2 video has to offer is a lot of information on handling a dog when the dog loses the track (i.e. street crossings etc.) The handler needs to start to think about how to acquire a lost track and how to put your dog back on track after he looses it. Many new trainers don't understand that this is the handlers responsibility not the dogs. So that's why you will need this tape. There is a ton of information here on reacquiring lost tracks. There is an art form to it. Regards, I have just recently purchased your RCMP Tracking Video. I have been with other officers who have tracking dogs, and have worked one myself. My questions are, while I looked at your video, for the first week of tracking, you showed what I believed to be your child or a child giving the dog hot dogs, but yet one of your helpers was using a bite rag or burlap sack on another occasion. Which should you start with? I believe we are trying to get the dog to track during prey drive, which you TOTALLY clarified during your Bite Training Tape. To have a dog so relaxed and calm like you showed was amazing compared to the police K-9's I've seen out here. Your tape showed so much control for the prey drive, I couldn't believe the difference. I'm very impressed. Second question. When initially training the dog to track, I noticed you use the wind at your back, so the wind is blowing at the back of the handler and the dog. Why do some people train to initially train their dogs on a straight track with the scent blowing AT the dog, as you do and I have learned especially when training corners? I'd appreciate some help. ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: In regard to the dog finding a child or getting a bite on a sack, in reality both are prey situations. The bite work that we do at the end of tracks in the beginning of training is always prey bites. If the dog has a temperament to be around children, I like to use them for the dogs to track. I don't do it all the time, but I like to vary it so the dog sees that he does not always have to bite after he finds someone. I let my kids or their friends give the dog a piece of meat when he finds them. When dogs are tracked into the wind they have a tendency to pick up their nose and wind scent. They also learn to cut corners because they can smell the turn way before they get to it. So it is always better to track with the wind at your back. The only time there is an exception to this is during the first 3 or 4 training tracks where the dog is tracking the handler, then we do it into the wind. The only purpose for this is to quickly teach the dog to use the nose. Once we switch to the handler working the leash, we always track with the wind to the back. People often call this form of tracking "TRAILING," I do not agree with them. If the trainer approached his work properly, the training steps are set up and controlled so the dog must keep his hose close to the ground to follow the track. This is accomplished through track placement (i.e. wind at your back), aging the track to reduce scent and bring the nose down, and finally placement of corners and articles. If a trainer constantly trains on 15 minute old tracks an experienced dog does not need to get his nose to the ground, he can run with a high head. If that same track is 1 hour or 1 1/2 hours old, there is a lot less scent and the same dog must get his nose right down on the ground to follow the track. So people that call this method of tracking trailing, really don't understand the training steps very well. I have a 1 year old dog that is being trained in TTD. We are following the advise you give in your Level 1 video. My dog runs the entire track as fast as she can. Do I need to slow her down using force? ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: It sounds like you have a very nice dog. If you remember anything from my videos on tracking thru drive or my articles on the subject, you need to remember this: NEVER USE FORCE IN TRACKING THRU DRIVE - FOR ANYTHING. The concept of this work is to find people. If you are following someone that is moving out ahead of you the only way you will ever catch up to them is to move faster than they are. This means running. If you physically can not keep up with your dog because of your conditioning you can slow a dog in three ways (other than force). You can age the track more, you can put more turns in the track and you can place more articles on the track. All three of these will slow a dog. Anyone that is advising the use of force in S&R tracking does not understand the task. I advise you to really consider everything else this person tells you. They are way off base. I would be willing to bet that this person never finds anyone with their dog unless it is with an area search (never with a track). Force kills tracking drive. Always remember this.
I am currently working with a three year old Rott in obedience. He has earned his UCD, CD, UCDX, CGC. Like any Rott he's hard headed, but a real pleasure to work with. My question is; I have not done any tracking training, but would like to, however I've been told that it's better to start tracking training with a younger dog. What's your opinion? Rod Krassow ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: I do not agree with what you have been told. My guess is that you have been told that Rotts are stubborn and look what you have done. My advice is to see if the dog and you enjoy tracking. If it turns out to be a fun thing to do then go for it. But if the dog does not have the drive for the work, then I would discourage force tracking. The only place I see a need for force tracking is in Schutzhund. When you are in the sport you absolutely need to have a dog that is going to track. It must track to get a title. In your case that does not seem to be the issue. So make a test and see. You have to decide which type of tracking you want to do. Foot step competition tracking or S&R (tracking thru drive) style tracking. I think you can get by with S&R style tracking for AKC - that's usually more fun for the dog. I have tapes on both styles.
My name is Mark Mauldin. I am a new K-9 handler with the Barstow Police Dept. in Barstow Calif. We are looking for a K-9 German Shepherd approximately 15-24 months of age with Schutzhund 3 title. Thanks, Mark Mauldin ANSWER TO QUESTION ON POLICE TRACKING: This is not my business - I have forwarded this to Kevin Sheldahl. Kevin is a K9 handler and instructor in New Mexico. He is also a police dog judge in DPO, WPO and PSP. In my opinion there is no one in this country who is better qualified to instruct and train canine handler - he does sell a few dogs. One last thing - in my opinion you are making a mistake to ask for a SchH 3 dog - someone is giving you or your department bad advice. Schutzhund is not the requirement for selection testing patrol dogs. The fact is that most of the SchH dogs do not make the best police dogs - the training they get screws them up. You would be better advised to get a 15 to 24 month old green dog that can pass the selection tests. I am interested in tracking and my question is that is it your opinion that you cannot teach a dog to track for ACK titles and then move on to search and rescue work? Meaning that in teaching footstep tracking the dog is unable to or confused to be taught tracking thru drive? I haven't started any type of tracking yet. I am trying to gather as much info as possible. I would like to compete in AKC tracking and then move on to S&R but from reading your articles this sounds like it isn't the way to do it. Basically I have to choose which I want more??? Second question, I am also researching Schutzhund for possible involvement in the future. For a beginner do you recommend your video 1st steps of bite training to help with my research and further understanding and learning on the subject. I am very interested in dog behavior and understanding the best way to motivationally train them. I was really interested in the mention of your describing drives and drive thresholds in the video. ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: You can do foot step tracking for food and then move on to tracking though drive as long as you do not apply any force in the foot step tracking. The goal of AKC tracking is just to get to the end of the track. Its not a precise as schutzhund so the need for force is not there. So the answer is yes you can do this. My recommendations is to look at both styles and then use what works for you. Frankly I like Foot step tracking for your dogs under a year. The motivation from the food works well and young dogs require way more repetition than older dogs. If you want to learn and see the drives of work for schutzhund get The First Steps of Bite Training and The First Steps of Defense. These are not all that is needed for Schutzhund, but they are the foundation work, (which in my opinion is the most important.)
I have a 6 month old German Shepherd. I've got your puppy tape 8 weeks to 8 months. It's great. I have a couple questions. Can I train him to be a personal protection dog and a search and rescue dog? If so, or, if not, what is the next video I should get? Darren, ANSWER TO QUESTION ON S & R DOG: If your dog has the temperament and drive he can be trained You would begin with The First Steps of Bite Training. Your dog can begin tracking right now. When I have young dogs I start them on foot step tracking for food and make it a big game. Then at a year I switch them over to tracking through drive. You can read about these different kinds of tracking from my web site articles. This would begin with Training a Competition Tracking Dog and then Training a Police - S&R Tracking Dog plus Track Laying for a Police Tracking Dog. The problem with young dogs is that they can not deal with a lot of stress and they do not retain the work well enough to actually be deployed to work in S&R until they are 12 to 14 months old. But you can do the foundation work at a young age it kind of imprints the nose work on them. The important thing (very important thing) is not to do area searches where you run off and let the dog run around and find you - this teaches the dog to search the wind current with a high nose - once they learn that they will never put their nose on the ground to track. So area search is taught after a dog certifies on level one tracking at 12 to 14 months.
Hello Ed, My name is Robert Harris, I have been reading your training articles and have really enjoyed some of them, also the questions that you answer are interesting too. I know your big on food reward and ball reward so here is a question I wonder if you could answer. If a dog is trained to track by food reward, not the dog that needs his daily food to track but the dog that just needs a little help with food treats, to track and the dog is a service dog , how do you stop the dog from picking up garbage(food) on a city track. Also in one of your answers to a question you say you use other people with food at the end of a track, will this put the dog in danger for taking food from a stranger in a none training situation, like at home or in the car etc... I ask these 2 important questions because I'm thinking about training my dog in tracking and don't want to teach him it is ok to take food from strangers. Can this be done? I just would not want my dog to take food from a stranger who really wants to poison him (everyday life situations.) Thanks in advance, Robert Harris ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: Robert, If you are going to train a service dog you don't really use food on the track. You should be doing the tracking through drive like the RCMP does in the videos that I have produced with them. Food is only used in sport tracking not in police tracking. I will counter this by saying that the RCMP will cull a dog out of the program in a hurry. They only keep the best of the best in tracking. If a dog doesn't make it - its gone. Local officers in the States do not have that luxury. They simply can not throw in the towel on a dog they have and go out and get a new dog (only Federal Police with deep pockets can do this). So when your dog develops a problem you need to work through it - it may require you doing things that the RCMP would never do - i.e. use a little food at corners or something. Usually the sport people will get to the point in about 30 or 40 training tracks - where there is only food at the end of the track and not along the track. Then when your dog has gained some experience and realizes that he is actually hunting people - the food along the way does not mean anything. If your dog is a service dog he is going to know who the bad guy is at the end of the track - it doesn't take a lot for these dogs to learn what "fear scent is" and food is not an issue. I have a pure bred German Shepard. His name is Strauss. He is one year and six months old. He is an extraordinary dog when with other dogs or alone, but when strangers are around, all of his training goes out the window. Everything distracts him, ex. bikes, children, etc. He becomes nervous, and extremely anxious, and completely out of control. I want to train him for search and rescue, but am un-able to pass the "good canine citizen" course because of his fears. What would you suggest I do to get him over these fears? I look forward to your answer, as I am deeply perplexed with the situation! Lisa Scappa ANSWER TO QUESTION ON S & R DOG: Your dog will never be an S&R dog. These dogs must be environmentally sound and your dog is not. This is a genetic issue that you can not train out of the dog. With this said, you can train the dog to mind. At this point he is not obedience trained. If he were he would mind in these situations. I would recommend that you read the Steps of Training on my web site. Your dog has weak nerves. Dog's with weak nerves can be obedience trained in fact they do well at this because they are nervous in their normal world and training brings structure to their lives. So they feel comfortable when they know they are doing what they are told. This all assumes that you are a capable trainer and can learn the principles of correction and praise. Hi Ed. My name is Bob DeMaio. I bought a pup from you and many tapes. I need some help with the down on the article. My dog knows sook, but when I do it while training the down on the article he is always looking for the ball in my pocket that I free him with after I do the sook platz. He platz near the article, but he wont sook when I do this training any ideas and do I have to use food after he downs on the article? Bob DeMaio ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: Set up your training with this in mind: Lay straight leg tracks (long ones) with a number of articles (10). Tracking is like everything else in dog training, only focus on one problem at a time. That's why we keep straight tracks without complications. Initially do one or two tracks into the wind (to make it easier for the dog). When you lay your articles, lay food 4 or 5 feet past the article. Put a couple of food drops between articles. By having the dog track into the wind he should be able to smell the food drop. If these first tracks go well then switch to have the wind at your back. Now the dog will have to restart a track to find the food. If he does not re-start you can try a food drag away from the article (with the wind at your back). Get away from the ball for the down use food. In fact I would try random downs, when the dog is down I would let him see me place a piece of food down on the ground about 10 feet from him. I would force him to down if he tried to get up. When I saw the drive build because of the frustration from being forced to lay down while he knows there is food over there I would give the "souk" command and let him go find it. This can all be done off the track. Ed what do you think of the tie out test for temperament testing older dogs. More and more SAR teams are searching for ways to test for temperament in older dogs. This test is similar to the one used in SchH. but does include and aggressive individual who is to represent an Alzheimer victim who is lost. I believe it is an unfair test in as much as you may not have an individual who knows dogs well enough and forces a dog into avoidance or fight drive because he is tied up. Pacer would not have a problem with an individual like this if he were not tied unless the person was a physical threat to me. I feel we have too many dog handler wanna be's out there who think that they know it all and don't understand basic foundational truths of pack behavior or K9 characteristics. I would really like your take on this. This is really becoming prevalent in SAR and every body is an expert. Tom Brown ANSWER TO QUESTION ON S & R DOG: It's a valid test for a service dog, but it also needs to be done properly and interpreted properly. There is the rub, not many people have the experience to properly administer and interpret this test. Many people push too hard while others don't understand the aggression (or avoidance) that the dogs show. If a dog is tied out and someone acts aggressively towards them a normal dog with good balanced drives and nerves will act appropriately (aggressively). If under these circumstances a dog acts aggressively, it's not fair to say this dog would not work for S&R. If an S&R dog comes on an Alzheimer's patient. The dog will not be tied out and will not have the same reaction. These people are 100% wrong. Dogs with weak nerves may have negative aggression in this case, but a dog with good nerves will not. Their tests should focus on prey drive, good nerves, and environmental soundness (this goes with good nerves). The Metro fire dept. in Nash, TN has recently bought a high dollar pup for my neighbor, whom is a fireman, to perform search and rescue and I assume accelerant detection. I am no expert, but I have been burned by a "master military dog trainer." The pup came from a breeder someplace in TN, and it is a decent looking all black male named Smokey. I don't think the dog will be successful. At two months old, it doesn't like people. It barks at everything and will not approach a non-threatening passerby, or allow me to touch him during a one hour visit. It seems fearful of anyone outside of its family. I know you don't care, but I don't know what I can do to help them other than refer them to your web site for advise. Or maybe i'm wrong, and the pups confidence will grow as he matures. At this time, in my opinion, his best chance for success is as a watch dog. He is so jumpy that I think he would alert to any intruders. Whether he has the courage to face a man is another story. No need to reply unless you think I am way off base. If I am wrong in my assessment, I would like to know. ANSWER TO QUESTION ON S & R DOG: Unfortunately departments (whether it's police or fire) have little experience in selection testing dogs. They now what they want in terms of an end product but most have no idea how to go about picking an animal that can do the work. If what you describe is accurate, this dog will never become a very effective service dog. He does not have good nerves (which is the reason for the dog barking at strangers and being fearful). This is a genetic issue and no amount of socializing is going to bring a puppy around enough to make it an effective service dog. An S&R dog needs to be environmentally secure, with good drives and nerves. If one part is missing the equation does not work. Now the department needs to figure out if they are more interested in making the program work or if the people who made the decision are more interested in covering their buts and not admitting that they made a mistake. I have been collecting video footage for about a year to edit a tape on selection testing police service dogs. There is a very definite need for this tape, this situation is a perfect example. There will be a lot of importers who will not like what I have to say. They are going to have to step to the line and raise their standards. I have just bought and looked at your Level I and II&III RCMP tracking videos, and found them very well made and interesting. A few questions, if you have the time and possibility to answer them:
Best regards, ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: There is ZERO stress on the track. You have missed the biggest factor in this style of tracking. There is "no force," therefore there is no stress. There can only be stress if there is a threat of force. Sport dogs that are trained with force have stress, police dogs trained with "Tracking through drive" have no stress. If the dog is properly selection tested it has fun on the track. The RCMP does not train scent identification, they train the dog to follow a "hot track." If the dog picks up a track of someone other than the suspect at the beginning, this is the track the dog will follow. Tracking is a team effort. Police tracking is the most difficult exercise that human's train dogs to do. It is far more difficult than obedience, protection, agility or any other dog sport. Those that do not agree with this lack experiences and have never trained a good police service tracking dog. Tracking through drive is stressful on the handlers, but it's not stressful on the dog. I read all your articles. They are very informative and have helped me a lot. I have a problem (I think) with my two dogs in tracking. When they start tracking the pull as if they were on the protection field trying to get the helper. It is a constant battle to hold them back. I give tugs to slow them down and in a calm voice say such? They have their nose to the ground but want to run the track? They miss the corners and the longer the track then the female will start to go from side to side more. Both dogs are very hyper (active) when out of the kennel it's non-stop, they are ready to go. They will work all day long. They are both two years old now. The bitch I bought from Germany at 14 month old and tracked like that when I got her. The male I have had since 13 weeks old and he started tracking like that the first day I started tracking him with hot dogs. I did not try to slow him down because I did not want to diminish his drive or desire to track. Thank you Bob Dees ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: I assume you are talking about sport tracking. Sport tracking is more of an obedience exercise than tracking. Many people new to the sport do not understand this very important issue. Yes - you have to train your dog to follow a track. But all dogs (with any drive at all) will want to run the track at a high speed. Your job as a trainer is to guide your dog through the process of learning to follow the track. Once the dog understands this process, then it's your job to slow the dog down in training. You can start the process by tracking in a prong collar, then the dog self corrects when he tracks and will slow a little on his own. If you want to learn to do this properly, get my training video Training a Competition Tracking Dog. You are not facing anything any differently than any other new handlers. TESTIMONIAL ON TRACKING VIDEOS: Ed, This is Mike Whitaker of the Gaffney Police Dept. in SC. Several weeks ago, I ordered the Tracking videos from you, and I'm pleased to say that the videos were all that I expected (and then some...) and I've applied the principles in the video to the weekly maintenance training of my police dog, Kantor, and the results have been astounding, to say the least. Medium to long distance tracks aren't a problem for him, except that he chooses to stop every fifty yards or so to mark his territory. I figure as long as he leads me the right way (most of our training tracks have been unknown tracks...) and finds the guy at the end, he can mark his territory wherever he wants. The ultimate test came a couple of weeks ago. There was a little bit of snow and ice on the ground, and there was a moderate breeze (15 mph according to the NWS). To make a long story short, we had a felony assault call, with the suspect fleeing the scene right as units arrived. The responding units called for us to track the suspect. Regardless of the cold wind, after our pre track ritual (where the dog marks his territory and craps) we began the unknown track in the direction of the suspect. I was unsure about the direction the dog was leading me until we got to a construction site where I found fresh tracks. The dog continued to pull harder and harder until approximatly 200 yards later, when the suspect came out of some woods with his hands in the air, begging me to not let the dog go. I just wanted to let you know that the tapes that you produced have been a huge help to me and my partner, and I would recommend these tapes to any police dog handler whose partner is having trouble with unknown tracks (or as I call them, real-life tracks) when your K-9 tracks perfectly in training, but not-so-good when the real call comes in. Thanks a million... In any case, thanks for the videos and the help... Do you have any ideas on training tapes, books or articles that I could use for evidence search? Thanks. Mark Campbell ANSWER: The only thing I have seen is the information in my RCMP tracking videos. You teach evidence search in the form of an alley search. A scented articles is hidden in an alley and the dog must find them to play with them. They use HOT articles (they carry a lot of fresh odor from the decoy). The dog is teased with the toy (an old shirt) by the 2nd handler who then runs up the alley and hides it. After the person returns to the dog team (he does not run away because the dog would think he is doing a human search) the dog is allowed going on line to the area and encouraged to find the article. Use any command you wish. Just stay consistent. This is started in plain view of the dog. It's then moved so the dog does not see where the decoy runs to and hides the item (the handler and dog wait around the corner). Then the final step is no teasing before the search. The dog can be worked up by the handler to "FIND YOUR TOY or SEARCH - or whatever you want to call it" there are then several finds in one alley. Initially the finds are scented cloth. But as the dog gains experience the items can be guns, knives etc. etc. There is always a big enthusiastic reward after the find. This is not how you train a dog to find small articles, i.e. gun shell casings. That is a topic of a different article. I have an article on my web site about how the Dutch teach the small article search for the KNPV. It was written by one of my good friends in Holland (Bob Neijts). There is also an article on teaching the large article search. I am inclined to like the RCMP method a little more. But one can always get new ideas by approaching dog training with an open mind. This is done in places where the are garbage cans, dogs behind fences in yards etc. etc. You will not have a good evidence search dog until your dog can do these searches under extreme distraction. If your dog is distracted by animals it will not work well. This is a subject I will be doing a training video on at some point in the future. I suggest that you spend some time reading some of the other articles on my web site Maybe you will get other ideas. I've watched your three videos on tracking. I don't think I am doing everything correct. What should a beginning track look like. Where to locate? How long? Various markings? etc. Suzy wants to air sent and get to my son really quickly and not work her nose into the ground. She is interested in the prairie dog holes and coyote scat. At the end she is not interested in her rabbit fur toy but would rather go of and investigate the surrounding area. How do I find a prairie dog free or wildlife free area. Your friend and follower in Colorado, ANSWER TO QUESTION ON TRACKING: There are a couple of issues here:
I have read your article about introducing new dogs into the home but I wondered if you had any comments for my particular situation. My situation is this; I live with two Rottweiler's (who are my children) and I have made the decision to join the Michigan Rottweiler Rescue Club and become a foster mom. My oldest dog is an intact bitch of 8 soon to be 9 years old. The other is her son, who is neutered, and is 5 soon to be 6 years old. I do intend to spay my bitch. I am expecting to receive 1 or 2 at the most rescue dogs in 1 to 2 weeks. Probably a male and a female, neither in tact. My intention is to use my finished basement for the rescue dogs, unless my dogs are outside. The rescue dogs will be crated while I am at work but loose in the basement or wherever my dogs are not when I am home. I will introduce my dogs to the rescue dogs using the crates. I intend to introduce one dog at a time to the rescue. But I am not sure how much I should push the issue. There is no telling how long I will have the rescue dog, so I am not sure that I need to work on the introduction outside of the crate. Could you give me some guidance on this situation. I don't want this transition to be too stressful on my personal dogs nor the rescue dog. Thank you, ANSWER: Neutering your dog will have NO EFFECT at this age. You are going to have to be very, very careful or you will have a dogfight. At the least there is a possibility of causing your personal dogs a lot of stress. When you allow these dogs to be free together you WILL HAVE problems. Get muzzles and use them. You should also do obedience with all the dogs (use prong collars) to re-establish your rank order in the pack. It's one thing to consider your dogs your children, I assure you they are pack-animals and you will find out quickly how deeply seated these instincts are. Do everything I say in my article on Introducing a New Dog Into a Home With Other Dogs.
My name is Charles Krom I have been a NYS Correction Officer for 18 years, a Volunteer Firefighter for 23 years, a NYS Fire Warden under NYSDEC for 20 years and a Member of Search Team 5-1 of Fulton County NY currently certified as a Crew Boss for 3 years. I have recently acquired a female German Shepard pup which will be six months old on 06/08/00 I am interested in training this dog for S&R operations. I would like to know what course of action I must take at this time to accomplish this task. Thank You for your assistance in this matter. ANSWER TO QUESTION ON S & R TRACKING: I recommend you read the articles I have written on Tracking Thru Drive, (TTD). I would also recommend that you get several of my training videos in the order listed:
If you would like to learn something about the principles of obedience training a dog, read the description for my Basic Dog Obedience video. You will probably find that you have not had the full picture on the steps of training a dog must go through before it can be considered fully trained. You can also read why I am not a fan of taking an untrained dog to obedience classes. I do not recommend TTD for dogs as young as yours. For the young dogs I use Foot Step Tracking (FST) with food. As long as there is not force and no corrections in FST - it does not hurt a young dog. It teaches it to use its nose. Then when it's about 12 to 13 months old I switch to TTD. Be very careful about listening to local S&R dog trainers. My experience is that the vast majority of local S&R trainers are opinionated people who lack experience. They start area search work (off lead searches) way, way, way too early. Once a dog learns to run around with his head high searching the wind currents for scent - you WILL NEVER get it to put its nose on the ground and dog good tracks. But once it has learned to track, it can then be taught area search. If you remember one thing I tell you - remember these words of advice.
I know that you are a busy man so I will keep this short. I am a canine handler for the Lexington Kentucky Police Department. I have been a handler for about five years and have handled the same dog for four and a half years. My Canine "Wilchek" has far exceeded my expectations in many ways. I know that all animals, people included, develop undesirable traits. This particular trait may one day get me injured or killed if not addressed. He will stop to urinate on tracks frequently. This would not normally concern me, but he has done this at the end of a track twenty feet from the quarry with the wind blowing directly into our faces. Initially I attempted to verbally correct him, but to no avail. I used physical correction, which only seemed to anger me and turn down his drive. I also attempted to ignore it until it began to happen at tactically poor situations. This canine has great ability and it is very frustrating not knowing quite what to do. I would appreciate any advice that you might have on this problem. I really appreciate your dedication to canines and those who work with them. I have read many of your articles and have had the opportunity to view many of your videos. I respect your work and your opinion. Thanks, ANSWER TO QUESTION ON POLICE TRACKING: John, I hate to say this but what you are describing is avoidance. This is not a situation where the dog just needs to relieve himself; it's a situation where the dog is showing avoidance by relieving himself in the odor of the suspect. There is nothing that training is going to do to correct this; it's a genetic problem. I would recommend additional testing done on the dog to confirm my thoughts, but more than likely you need a different dog. Ed, I am interested in your video, "Training Competition Tracking," but I have a few questions for you. I've read most of your articles on tracking and find the Drive Tracking method quite interesting. I haven't begun training my puppy in tracking yet because I just am not comfortable with what I've been told to do. My puppy is almost 6 months and is in Schutzhund training and I was told to lay a track using a piece of food on every single footstep. Later, corners are taught by putting a pile of food at the corners and food is tucked inside the articles to get the dog to "indicate" the articles. Finally, somehow, you have to wean the dog off of the food so he can be in a trial, which does not allow food. My puppy (GSD) has a strong food drive and ball drive, but she also has a very strong prey drive. At 4 months, she barked and went nuts for the puppy tug during training and shook it wildly when she was allowed to catch it. Now, at almost 6 months, she's started biting the puppy sleeve with incredible drive for her age. For this reason, I would like |
