Doug Alcorn wrote 04/14/2009 08:23 AM Reading List Recommendations #236106 - 04/14/2009 08:23 AM
Doug Alcorn Webboard User Reg: 09-03-2007 Posts: 221 Loc: Cincinnati, OH Offline	So I've watched and re-watched Ed's "Your Puppy 8 weeks to 8 months" and "Establishing Pack Structure with the Family Pet". I have, but haven't yet watched "The Power of Training Dogs with Markers". I'm also reading Cesar Milan's _Be The Pack Leader_. I've also just recently read _Raw Dog Food_ by Carina Beth. After looking through the Leerburg Library I've selected these books as likely next reads: Shaping Success by Susan Garrett The Thinking Dog: Crossover to Clicker Training by Gail Tamases Fisher I'm also thinking about: Cesar's Way by Cesar Milan The Canine Good Citizen by Jack & Wendy Volhard Canine Body Language by Brenda Aloff I'm just not sure about the order. I'm looking for stuff that will specifically help me train my Australian Shepherd puppy. I know she's very intelligent, high energy, and has potential to be very agile. I don't really want to compete in sporting events; just keep her happy and content. I did a search on Amazon for "australian shepherd" and got back several hits on breed specific books. I just have little to now way to judge which are any good or even if I need a breed specific book. Maybe the above list would be enough? Suzzie, the Australian Shepherd
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Angela Burrell wrote 04/14/2009 09:38 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #236111 - 04/14/2009 09:38 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Personally, I think I gained the most from the various marker training books (such as the Everything Dog Training book http://leerburg.com/982.htm and Clicker Training http://leerburg.com/979.htm). I also want to get Don't Shoot the Dog and The Thinking Dog too. Myself, I didn't get much out of Cesar's Way - to me, it was more of a biography of Cesar's life than a dog training book. The others I can't speak to because I haven't read them. Sounds like you are preparing yourself to be a fantastic dog owner; that is one lucky puppy. One other suggestion is to see if you can find any breeders or Australian Shepherd club members to talk to (even over the Internet, such as though Yahoo Groups). They can offer a world of help for any breed specific issues or questions. I have an Aussie x Lab mix, she is the BEST
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Doug Alcorn wrote 04/14/2009 10:12 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Angela Burrell ] #236114 - 04/14/2009 10:12 AM
Doug Alcorn Webboard User Reg: 09-03-2007 Posts: 221 Loc: Cincinnati, OH Offline	Cesar's Be The Pack Leader is very much true to its title. There's a lot of information on what it means to be a pack leader and how dogs communicate through emotion and energy. There's some biographical type info, but it's mainly anecdotes explaining a concept. The only thing I'm "missing" is he keeps talking about The Walk and doing it properly, but doesn't really explain what he means. I was thinking maybe he explained it more in Cesar's Way. Suzzie, the Australian Shepherd
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Angela Burrell wrote 04/14/2009 10:25 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #236116 - 04/14/2009 10:25 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	I read Cesar's Way a while ago - at least a year; but I don't remember there being ANY how-tos in it at all. Check to see if your library has a copy; if you can browse it, you might find it useful to you. I am a person who likes to have things spelled out. For me, I got much more out of the marker training books. Also, the marker training is so much fun for the dog, and me!
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Doug Alcorn wrote 04/14/2009 10:30 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Angela Burrell ] #236118 - 04/14/2009 10:30 AM
Doug Alcorn Webboard User Reg: 09-03-2007 Posts: 221 Loc: Cincinnati, OH Offline	To a newbie like me, is marker training and clicker training the same thing? Which marker training books do you recommend? Suzzie, the Australian Shepherd
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Angela Burrell wrote 04/14/2009 10:36 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #236119 - 04/14/2009 10:36 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Quote: doug alcorn is marker training and clicker training the same thing? Yes. But you don't have to use a clicker. (I do). Many people on here prefer to use a "marker word" such as "yes", used in place of the click. That is why it is referred to as marker training on this board instead of clicker training. I find my dogs make the association faster with the clicker. I found this DVD helpful: http://leerburg.com/219.htm (The Power of Training Dogs With Markers). The two books I mentioned above are the only two I currently own specifically about marker training, but I really like them. Clicker Training: http://leerburg.com/979.htm is a small book specifically for beginners and even comes with a clicker. The Everything Dog Training Book is very comprehensive and even has step by step "recipes" for teaching certain commands and tricks. http://leerburg.com/982.htm Cindy Rhodes made a thread that she really likes The Thinking Dog (the one on your list). When I get extra money i might go with that one next. I also want to get http://leerburg.com/928.htm (Purely Positive Training from Companion to Competition), but I do plan on competing in Obedience and Agility.
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Natalya Zahn wrote 04/14/2009 10:53 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #236120 - 04/14/2009 10:53 AM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Hi Doug, This isn't a "training" book, but it's a wonderful book about canine behavior that really made an impression on me and changed the way I viewed my dog, and the way I understood my OWN behavior, as a human - pretty cool stuff to think about when you're actually attempting to build a partnership with another species (looks like Leerburg doesn't carry it, so I linked to Amazon): The Other End of the Leash I didn't get much out of Ceasar's Way - I think he's great, though his message has been so condensed over his years on tv and in print, there doesn't seem to be much to elaborate on at this point (which is precisely why his teachings are so impactful to the general public - he's made important lessons very easy to digest and follow). The Thinking Dog is in the queue on my nightstand - can't wait! ~Natalya
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 04/14/2009 11:09 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #236121 - 04/14/2009 11:09 AM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	I can't say enough good things about Canine Body Language. I LOVE it. Fantastic, fantastic book. And I will second The Other End of the Leash, and Natalya's thoughts on it. It really did change how I approached mine and the dog's relationship. Teagan!
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Tracy Collins wrote 04/14/2009 11:28 AM Re: Reading List Recommendations [Re: Jennifer Mullen ] #236122 - 04/14/2009 11:28 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	I'm a fan of Jan Fennell's The Dog Listener. she offers some very good practical advice on establishing leadership, dealing with problem behaviors, helping to understand the way dogs think. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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