I have a shi tzu / yorki mix. I am currently using a choke collar but read alot about the fact that they are better than the choke collars. I dont know if I need one or if I should just keep on using the one I have now. My dog listens better when I use the choke collar than the flat buckle belt collar. What do you think? thanks
thanks, ill try and use the marker training and will go back to using the flat buckle collar. Its just a little more difficult training using the flat collar. Ill let you know how it goes.
100 dogs were in the study. 50 used choke and 50 used prong.
The dogs were studied for their entire lives. As dogs died, autopsies were performed.
Of the 50 which had chokes, 48 had injuries to the neck, trachea, or back. 2 of those were determined to be genetic. The other 46 were caused by trauma.
Of the 50 which had prongs, 2 had injuries in the neck area, 1 was determined to be genetic. 1 was caused by trauma.
Based on these results I don't think I'd ever use a choke collar and agree with Erin to prefer a prong over choke.
I think the question here is use of a dominant dog collar over a choke.
Jennifer, I think more marker training will help.
I can't help but be a bit leery off corrective collars on small dogs - maybe Connie or someone with more small dog experience could speak to their appropriate usage on dogs that size, I would be very concerned about over-correcting and injuring simply b/c they are so small. Prongs at least spread out the pressure, which seems safer to me.
Doug, that's funny, there was recently an epic battle about that study on another forum I'm on - I wasn't involved, sadly. I've always pointed to that study as well. But someone pointed out the only thing you can ever find about that study is references to it, not the study itself (which was called an 'urban myth' by one side). Don't know myself, but I do think it points to one important thing, which is correctly using whichever tool you choose to.
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thanks, ill try and use the marker training and will go back to using the flat buckle collar. Its just a little more difficult training using the flat collar. Ill let you know how it goes.
If the collar matters during marker training, then maybe we can help you out with the training.
Tell us why you needed the choke over the flat collar, and also, I have to ask, do you know what a DD collar is? That is, do you know what situations would warrant its use?
I keep reading "DD collar" all over the place, and I honestly suspect that somehow some folks have assumed that it's a regular tool for everyday training.
It's an important tool, absolutely, but I get the impression most of the time when companion dog owners post about using one that they have no situation at all that calls for it. JMO.
From the LB page http://leerburg.com/746.htm : This collar is not intended to give a painful correction. It's intended to take the air away from the dog. .... designed to be used on handler aggressive or dog aggressive dogs.
I know that most people here understand what the tool is for, and I'm directing this to folks who may have just heard the term and assumed that it was a "next-step-up" kind of collar or something. If you had/have any doubt about its use, you should not be considering it. Again, JMO. You should be getting professional help immediately with your dog.
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